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Need new brakes, what brand?

Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:39 pm
by xyeLz
Cars at that point where I gotta get new rotors and brakes. I'm thinking of swapping out for some better performing aftermarket brakes. I think Brembo might be too expensive (correct me if I'm wrong - I haven't looked yet) but I would like something priced well that performs well for our cars. Obviously these ain't no Ferrari's ;). My only other requirement is that they come painted red from the factory. Is Brembo a brand anyone here has tried?

Re: Need new brakes, what brand?

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:17 am
by sextrosgxp
I used Autosports rotors, ebc red stuff pads, and painted up a new set of calipers. Look awesome and work great. Don't waste your money on Brembos. Not even sure you can get Brembos or baer kits for these cars.

Re: Need new brakes, what brand?

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:50 am
by nos4blood70
There are no kits for these cars. You can take full advantage of the factory brakes by upgrading to some ceramic pads for greater bite. I have Hawk HPS and the bite is still amazing after 40k miles. They are a bit dusty however.

If you want to upgrade the calipers you can try to find GXP brakes, or you can try to adapt F-body calipers or C5 Z06 calipers. They need their caliper bolt holes redrilled for the H-body hub. But after that it's plug and play. I have a set laying around waiting for warm weather.

Re: Need new brakes, what brand?

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:55 am
by Zeik75
F body Camero brakes are dual piston I believe and will bolt in. They are aluminum too so you could get a set from the junk yard and paint them. I believe there will be a little more pedal travel because of the increased volume but it should stop better. I have heard good things about slotted rotors and hawk? (Maybe) ceramic pads.

Corvette c5 brakes will work too but idk how much better than f body's those
Would be.

Re: Need new brakes, what brand?

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:11 am
by 00Beast
No one makes a bolt-on aftermarket brake setup, so that's out.

What can be done is to put together a setup using factory pieces from other GM cars. One method is to use F-Body (98-02 Camaro/Firebird) dual piston calipers and stock size rotors, another is to upgrade to Bonneville GXP/Cadillac DTS/Grand Prix GXP dual piston calipers and 12.9" rotors. There's been a lot of threads, a quick search on here would probably garner a lot of information. Some of these were red painted OEM, but you're probably going to want to give them a fresh coat of paint.

Re: Need new brakes, what brand?

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:18 am
by SSEi95
http://www.pontiacbonnevilleclub.com/fo ... 41653.html

Andrew has a set of red GXP calipers listed.

Brakemotive on ebay sell zinc plated cross drilled and slotted rotor/pad sets for really cheap. I have a set and they seem to work well and reviews across the site are pretty favorable as well. Get those to match whatever setup you pick.

Re: Need new brakes, what brand?

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:21 am
by crash93ssei
I have a brakemotive ebay setup on my SSEi in stock size and am very happy with them.

Re: Need new brakes, what brand?

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:29 am
by nos4blood70
Zeik75 wrote:F body Camero brakes are dual piston I believe and will bolt in. They are aluminum too so you could get a set from the junk yard and paint them. I believe there will be a little more pedal travel because of the increased volume but it should stop better. I have heard good things about slotted rotors and hawk? (Maybe) ceramic pads.

Corvette c5 brakes will work too but idk how much better than f body's those
Would be.
My setup is the slotted rotors and Hawk Ceramics. First time I stopped after the install it blew my mind. And ripped my sunglasses off my face. Hahaha.

F-body brakes will not bolt in. C5 Z06 brakes have bigger cooling fins and smaller pistons. They preserve the brake feel better than the F-body calipers do.

Re: Need new brakes, what brand?

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:58 pm
by xyeLz
Okay. So I will get GXP calipers, Brakemotive zinc plated cross drilled and slotted rotors, and hawk ceramic pads? How does that sound?

What size rotors will I need? Does stock work with the GXP calipers? Should I get something bigger?

Re: Need new brakes, what brand?

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:00 pm
by 00Beast
GXP calipers require stepping up to the larger rotors. You also need the hardware for the GXP calipers, they use a special shouldered bolt to bolt to the knuckle, and the brake lines may or may not be different.

Re: Need new brakes, what brand?

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:06 pm
by xyeLz
Oh. Can anyone here comment on the brake lines? Would the shouldered bolt come w the calipers? What size rotors are GXP front and rear?

Re: Need new brakes, what brand?

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:11 pm
by 2000Silverbullet
Cheap Power Slots with ceramic brakes FTW

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Re: Need new brakes, what brand?

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:12 pm
by 00Beast
GXP rotors are 12.9" front, 11.9" rear, IIRC.

It *should* come with the calipers, but may not, so pay attention. I know the GXP brake lines were different, but I can't comment that your SSEi lines wouldn't work.

My question is: What are you stopping for? Just DD'ing the car? Or planning on doing some "high-performance" driving?

Re: Need new brakes, what brand?

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:19 pm
by xyeLz
00Beast wrote:GXP rotors are 12.9" front, 11.9" rear, IIRC.

It *should* come with the calipers, but may not, so pay attention. I know the GXP brake lines were different, but I can't comment that your SSEi lines wouldn't work.

My question is: What are you stopping for? Just DD'ing the car? Or planning on doing some "high-performance" driving?
Really just stopping, but occasional hard use in summer only. I'd like to get the GXP calipers so whatever I need to do to make that work. I'll ask Andrew if his set comes with the bolt. I know this is a LMGTFY moment, but could you link me to the Brakemotive drilled+slotted rotors? I can't find them online... Also not sure which Hawk Ceramic pads to get?

Re: Need new brakes, what brand?

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:29 pm
by SSEi95
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FRONT-REAR-4-PE ... e1&vxp=mtr

Here is a complete pad and rotor kit for the 2005 Bonneville GXP. These should work with the GXP calipers on your car, but I would double check still.

Re: Need new brakes, what brand?

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:40 pm
by sextrosgxp
Look under the GXP section and topic is Powdercoat Calipers. Gives a write up and pics.

Re: Need new brakes, what brand?

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:41 pm
by xyeLz
Oh great, thanks. What about the brake lines. Should those be all set on my car and where can I find the Hawk Ceramic pads?

Re: Need new brakes, what brand?

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:48 pm
by xyeLz
Okay just purchased the GXP calipers from Andrew! He mentioned that they come with the shoulder bolt as well as the brake lines. I can purchase the rotor set but it would be a shame to waste those brake pads. Are the Hawk Ceramic pads really a big step up?

How do I check to make sure they will work?

Re: Need new brakes, what brand?

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:14 pm
by 2000Silverbullet
Ceramic pads or go home! Of course they will work just fine and keep your wheels dust free.

Re: Need new brakes, what brand?

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:01 pm
by crash93ssei
Did you get the rear calipers and brackets as well? The GXP uses a different caliper bracket for the rear and a larger rear rotor so if you don't get rear stuff you will need to make sure to get GXP front pads and rotors and SSEi rear pads and rotors.