Misfire under boost
- MattStrike
- Certified Bonneville Nut

- Posts: 4760
- Joined: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:32 pm
- Year and Trim: '99 Montana
'04 Dirtymax
'97 Camaro
'92 Trofeo - Location: SE Michigan
Misfire under boost
'93 SE L67 again. Intermittent.
Typical drive:
Startup cold, warms up a bit, then leave. Step on the gas for a brisk acceleration and it goes fine normally. Everything gets warmed up, and I go for a WOT pull and maybe 50% of the time it will start to miss. If it starts to miss and I don't let up it just gets more severe until it backfires. With the SC on the top I can't tell if it's fuel in the intake igniting or if it's in the exhaust. After the backfire, it will continue to misfire if I maintain a cruise speed but will slowly return back to normal. Immediatly after it recovers I can hit it WOT again and about 50% of the time it pulls hard without a misfire. Sometimes I just can't get into boost without it starting to misfire, and other times it just goes on like nothing was wrong.
I can't see this as a mechanical failure, maybe fuel related, but the intermittent thing is throwing me off.
Typical drive:
Startup cold, warms up a bit, then leave. Step on the gas for a brisk acceleration and it goes fine normally. Everything gets warmed up, and I go for a WOT pull and maybe 50% of the time it will start to miss. If it starts to miss and I don't let up it just gets more severe until it backfires. With the SC on the top I can't tell if it's fuel in the intake igniting or if it's in the exhaust. After the backfire, it will continue to misfire if I maintain a cruise speed but will slowly return back to normal. Immediatly after it recovers I can hit it WOT again and about 50% of the time it pulls hard without a misfire. Sometimes I just can't get into boost without it starting to misfire, and other times it just goes on like nothing was wrong.
I can't see this as a mechanical failure, maybe fuel related, but the intermittent thing is throwing me off.
Boost addict

The Fleet:
'93 SSEi - Twincharged + manual Build thread
'97 Camaro - Top swap
'05 STS - V8, AWD, her DD
'92 Trofeo - Fair weather DD
'99 Montana - top swap 3800
'04 Sierra 2500HD - LLY Duramax
Current project:
Something cool, trust me.
Upcoming projects:
'92 Bonneville SSE
'87 LeSabre T-type
'67 LeSabre
Gone to greener pastures:
'84 Sierra Classic - Twin turbo 3800
'97 LeSabre - Top swap
RIP:
'86 LeSabre - pictures
'93 SE - L67

The Fleet:
'93 SSEi - Twincharged + manual Build thread
'97 Camaro - Top swap
'05 STS - V8, AWD, her DD
'92 Trofeo - Fair weather DD
'99 Montana - top swap 3800
'04 Sierra 2500HD - LLY Duramax
Current project:
Something cool, trust me.
Upcoming projects:
'92 Bonneville SSE
'87 LeSabre T-type
'67 LeSabre
Gone to greener pastures:
'84 Sierra Classic - Twin turbo 3800
'97 LeSabre - Top swap
RIP:
'86 LeSabre - pictures
'93 SE - L67
- J Wikoff
- Administrator

- Posts: 17080
- Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 7:01 pm
- Year and Trim: 1992 SSE
2009 G8 GT - Location: Central Illinois
- Contact:
Re: Misfire under boost
My guesses are coils or fuel pump.

WHITE WHINE - 1992 SSE Supercharged 236.26 ci (.040 Over) 15.090 at 90.2 MPH on old engine w/ slipping trans & melted O2 sensor - Gen 3 M62 and matching TB, Gen 2 Pully, Zillamotorsports Ported LIM, YT 1.72 Roller Rockers, SII FPR & Injectors, Hypertech Thermomaster chip w/ 160 Thermo, TransGo Shift Kit, Infinity/Pioneer Speakers & a 10" Alpine Type R Sub, all the watts, 140 amp Alternator, Ricepipe CAI w/ heatshield, Pilot Angel Eye Foglights, Clear Corners, '02 17" Chrome Bent 5's, Magnaflow F-Body Muffler and Hi-flo Cat, Ceramic Coated Ported Exhaust Manifolds, Fan Override, Monroe Reflex struts, red calipers
2009 G8 GT - Sport Red Metallic, loaded, SOLO Axlebacks, Rotofab Intake, Tuned, autodim mirror, removed intake manifold cover, HSV GTS triple gauge pod, two tone red-hot shifter and HSV SuperSport steering wheel, GXP rear sway bar and diffuser, 3.45 diff and various Camaro suspension bits, LED Taillights
Re: Misfire under boost
Same thing is happening on mine but it's not throwing any related codes.
- 2000Silverbullet
- Retired Gearhead

- Posts: 12225
- Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 5:06 pm
- Year and Trim: 2000 SSEi, 79 Firebird, 88 Jeep, 11 Yukon Denali
- Location: Powell River BC - 7 time WCBF Survivor
Re: Misfire under boost
Fuel Pump.
Just did one on my 94. Similar symptoms.
Just did one on my 94. Similar symptoms.

2000 SSEi - SilverBullet - 78,000 kms, 4" "straight shot" custom headlight ram air inlet, TOGs, 1.9's, Lsd, 2.9-3.4"MPS 10-15 psi, Ported GenV, EGR eliminated, OR pushrods, oil volume kit, trani cooler & shift kit, Titanium retainers, 90 lb springs, 160 Stat, 42# injectors, Fuel pump voltage increase, Wideband O2, 3" to dual 2 1/2" Magnaflows, Snow Meth/water injection, after SC temp gauge, 255/50WR17, timing commander set 15-18*@WOT, 2 speed Fan over-ride, disabled DRL, Solid motor mount, Meziere Electric water pump, adjustable fuel pressure regulator, Drilled & slotted rotors/ceramics, GXP sway bars and STB, Upgraded and rebuilt transmission with ZZP 2500 rpm stall TC, Pioneer Bluetooth stereo with sub and 800 W amps, PB 13.5 quarter, (April 2014 car of the month)
Re: Misfire under boost
Ah, I saw your thread on the silver goose. I was hoping that wasn't it, but at 227,000 miles I guess it's had a good run.
- 2000Silverbullet
- Retired Gearhead

- Posts: 12225
- Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 5:06 pm
- Year and Trim: 2000 SSEi, 79 Firebird, 88 Jeep, 11 Yukon Denali
- Location: Powell River BC - 7 time WCBF Survivor
Re: Misfire under boost
The fuel pump on a SC L67 is specific and a higher volume than the standard NA SE pump.

2000 SSEi - SilverBullet - 78,000 kms, 4" "straight shot" custom headlight ram air inlet, TOGs, 1.9's, Lsd, 2.9-3.4"MPS 10-15 psi, Ported GenV, EGR eliminated, OR pushrods, oil volume kit, trani cooler & shift kit, Titanium retainers, 90 lb springs, 160 Stat, 42# injectors, Fuel pump voltage increase, Wideband O2, 3" to dual 2 1/2" Magnaflows, Snow Meth/water injection, after SC temp gauge, 255/50WR17, timing commander set 15-18*@WOT, 2 speed Fan over-ride, disabled DRL, Solid motor mount, Meziere Electric water pump, adjustable fuel pressure regulator, Drilled & slotted rotors/ceramics, GXP sway bars and STB, Upgraded and rebuilt transmission with ZZP 2500 rpm stall TC, Pioneer Bluetooth stereo with sub and 800 W amps, PB 13.5 quarter, (April 2014 car of the month)
-
Bob Dillon
- Retired Gearhead

- Posts: 1854
- Joined: Wed May 21, 2008 9:38 pm
- Year and Trim: 1997 SE Anniversary Edition
Re: Misfire under boost
Sounds like fuel delivery to me. I'd watch maintaining WOT with a supercharged engine and a mixture lean enough to misfire, too. If that's what it is, it's not helping the piston tops any.
Changed the fuel filter lately? I'd check both the filter and fuel pressure first.
Changed the fuel filter lately? I'd check both the filter and fuel pressure first.
462 cubic inches of REAL Pontiac power.


- MattStrike
- Certified Bonneville Nut

- Posts: 4760
- Joined: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:32 pm
- Year and Trim: '99 Montana
'04 Dirtymax
'97 Camaro
'92 Trofeo - Location: SE Michigan
Re: Misfire under boost
Is this going to be a situation where the correct SC fuel pump isn't available anymore? Maybe I can kill two birds here by using my SSEi pump here and upgrading the SSEi pump.
What model is the Walbro pump everyone is using? http://walbrofuelpumps.com/1992-1993-po ... -3-8l.html
What model is the Walbro pump everyone is using? http://walbrofuelpumps.com/1992-1993-po ... -3-8l.html
Boost addict

The Fleet:
'93 SSEi - Twincharged + manual Build thread
'97 Camaro - Top swap
'05 STS - V8, AWD, her DD
'92 Trofeo - Fair weather DD
'99 Montana - top swap 3800
'04 Sierra 2500HD - LLY Duramax
Current project:
Something cool, trust me.
Upcoming projects:
'92 Bonneville SSE
'87 LeSabre T-type
'67 LeSabre
Gone to greener pastures:
'84 Sierra Classic - Twin turbo 3800
'97 LeSabre - Top swap
RIP:
'86 LeSabre - pictures
'93 SE - L67

The Fleet:
'93 SSEi - Twincharged + manual Build thread
'97 Camaro - Top swap
'05 STS - V8, AWD, her DD
'92 Trofeo - Fair weather DD
'99 Montana - top swap 3800
'04 Sierra 2500HD - LLY Duramax
Current project:
Something cool, trust me.
Upcoming projects:
'92 Bonneville SSE
'87 LeSabre T-type
'67 LeSabre
Gone to greener pastures:
'84 Sierra Classic - Twin turbo 3800
'97 LeSabre - Top swap
RIP:
'86 LeSabre - pictures
'93 SE - L67
- J Wikoff
- Administrator

- Posts: 17080
- Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 7:01 pm
- Year and Trim: 1992 SSE
2009 G8 GT - Location: Central Illinois
- Contact:
Re: Misfire under boost
Check willwren's posts to see which one he used on his 93. It might be in his signature.

WHITE WHINE - 1992 SSE Supercharged 236.26 ci (.040 Over) 15.090 at 90.2 MPH on old engine w/ slipping trans & melted O2 sensor - Gen 3 M62 and matching TB, Gen 2 Pully, Zillamotorsports Ported LIM, YT 1.72 Roller Rockers, SII FPR & Injectors, Hypertech Thermomaster chip w/ 160 Thermo, TransGo Shift Kit, Infinity/Pioneer Speakers & a 10" Alpine Type R Sub, all the watts, 140 amp Alternator, Ricepipe CAI w/ heatshield, Pilot Angel Eye Foglights, Clear Corners, '02 17" Chrome Bent 5's, Magnaflow F-Body Muffler and Hi-flo Cat, Ceramic Coated Ported Exhaust Manifolds, Fan Override, Monroe Reflex struts, red calipers
2009 G8 GT - Sport Red Metallic, loaded, SOLO Axlebacks, Rotofab Intake, Tuned, autodim mirror, removed intake manifold cover, HSV GTS triple gauge pod, two tone red-hot shifter and HSV SuperSport steering wheel, GXP rear sway bar and diffuser, 3.45 diff and various Camaro suspension bits, LED Taillights
Re: Misfire under boost
Rockauto has the fuel pumps.
- 2000Silverbullet
- Retired Gearhead

- Posts: 12225
- Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 5:06 pm
- Year and Trim: 2000 SSEi, 79 Firebird, 88 Jeep, 11 Yukon Denali
- Location: Powell River BC - 7 time WCBF Survivor
Re: Misfire under boost
I bought the complete unit from RockAuto including the level float. It comes complete with ring and rubber gasket all wired plug and play for $130.

2000 SSEi - SilverBullet - 78,000 kms, 4" "straight shot" custom headlight ram air inlet, TOGs, 1.9's, Lsd, 2.9-3.4"MPS 10-15 psi, Ported GenV, EGR eliminated, OR pushrods, oil volume kit, trani cooler & shift kit, Titanium retainers, 90 lb springs, 160 Stat, 42# injectors, Fuel pump voltage increase, Wideband O2, 3" to dual 2 1/2" Magnaflows, Snow Meth/water injection, after SC temp gauge, 255/50WR17, timing commander set 15-18*@WOT, 2 speed Fan over-ride, disabled DRL, Solid motor mount, Meziere Electric water pump, adjustable fuel pressure regulator, Drilled & slotted rotors/ceramics, GXP sway bars and STB, Upgraded and rebuilt transmission with ZZP 2500 rpm stall TC, Pioneer Bluetooth stereo with sub and 800 W amps, PB 13.5 quarter, (April 2014 car of the month)
- MattStrike
- Certified Bonneville Nut

- Posts: 4760
- Joined: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:32 pm
- Year and Trim: '99 Montana
'04 Dirtymax
'97 Camaro
'92 Trofeo - Location: SE Michigan
Re: Misfire under boost
*reviving from the dead for closure*
Guess what it was? A bad ignition coil. It would spark good at idle, but could drop out under boost. It wasn't until the last few weeks that it got bad enough that it was always dropping out that I was able to find it. With good weather on the horizon, we had taken the car to the carwash and I sprayed down the engine bay. Of course the weak coil stopped firing on one cylinder due to the water, which is how I found it. Swapped out the coil and now it screams like a banshee again.
It's odd, because I've swapped out the entire ICM and all 3 coils already without finding this, so it means I've got another bad coil on the shelf to root out.
Guess what it was? A bad ignition coil. It would spark good at idle, but could drop out under boost. It wasn't until the last few weeks that it got bad enough that it was always dropping out that I was able to find it. With good weather on the horizon, we had taken the car to the carwash and I sprayed down the engine bay. Of course the weak coil stopped firing on one cylinder due to the water, which is how I found it. Swapped out the coil and now it screams like a banshee again.
It's odd, because I've swapped out the entire ICM and all 3 coils already without finding this, so it means I've got another bad coil on the shelf to root out.
Boost addict

The Fleet:
'93 SSEi - Twincharged + manual Build thread
'97 Camaro - Top swap
'05 STS - V8, AWD, her DD
'92 Trofeo - Fair weather DD
'99 Montana - top swap 3800
'04 Sierra 2500HD - LLY Duramax
Current project:
Something cool, trust me.
Upcoming projects:
'92 Bonneville SSE
'87 LeSabre T-type
'67 LeSabre
Gone to greener pastures:
'84 Sierra Classic - Twin turbo 3800
'97 LeSabre - Top swap
RIP:
'86 LeSabre - pictures
'93 SE - L67

The Fleet:
'93 SSEi - Twincharged + manual Build thread
'97 Camaro - Top swap
'05 STS - V8, AWD, her DD
'92 Trofeo - Fair weather DD
'99 Montana - top swap 3800
'04 Sierra 2500HD - LLY Duramax
Current project:
Something cool, trust me.
Upcoming projects:
'92 Bonneville SSE
'87 LeSabre T-type
'67 LeSabre
Gone to greener pastures:
'84 Sierra Classic - Twin turbo 3800
'97 LeSabre - Top swap
RIP:
'86 LeSabre - pictures
'93 SE - L67
Re: Misfire under boost
Mine turned out to be the intake manifold, so ¯\(ツ)/¯
- J Wikoff
- Administrator

- Posts: 17080
- Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 7:01 pm
- Year and Trim: 1992 SSE
2009 G8 GT - Location: Central Illinois
- Contact:
Re: Misfire under boost
What did we learn here?
If I make two guesses and everyone goes with the second, it was guaranteed to be the first. Lol!
If I make two guesses and everyone goes with the second, it was guaranteed to be the first. Lol!

WHITE WHINE - 1992 SSE Supercharged 236.26 ci (.040 Over) 15.090 at 90.2 MPH on old engine w/ slipping trans & melted O2 sensor - Gen 3 M62 and matching TB, Gen 2 Pully, Zillamotorsports Ported LIM, YT 1.72 Roller Rockers, SII FPR & Injectors, Hypertech Thermomaster chip w/ 160 Thermo, TransGo Shift Kit, Infinity/Pioneer Speakers & a 10" Alpine Type R Sub, all the watts, 140 amp Alternator, Ricepipe CAI w/ heatshield, Pilot Angel Eye Foglights, Clear Corners, '02 17" Chrome Bent 5's, Magnaflow F-Body Muffler and Hi-flo Cat, Ceramic Coated Ported Exhaust Manifolds, Fan Override, Monroe Reflex struts, red calipers
2009 G8 GT - Sport Red Metallic, loaded, SOLO Axlebacks, Rotofab Intake, Tuned, autodim mirror, removed intake manifold cover, HSV GTS triple gauge pod, two tone red-hot shifter and HSV SuperSport steering wheel, GXP rear sway bar and diffuser, 3.45 diff and various Camaro suspension bits, LED Taillights


