Hot-soak engine starting failure
Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:49 pm
Seeking specific testing / troubleshooting info for the IAC (Idle Air Control) valve. Did not see anything in the Techinfo section under Electrical or any other heading there. My parts-store aftermarket Manual has very limited info (covers years 89-to-05; too many to be comprehensive).
Have an intermittent problem: after 99 Bonne/L36 is driven, parked, 'hot'...it will start right up IF started within next 1-to-2 minutes. If we wait 10 or more minutes, engine cranks and may or may not start...if it does, idle is ROUGH, and RPMs wander between 1000 and 500 RPM...usually dies within 5 seconds, UNLESS i lightly tap throttle repeatedly....IF i can successfully keep engine running, it will suddenly start running smoothly and normally within about 10 seconds of that 'babying'. Then can be driven on highway normally and runs well for it's age / mileage of 162K.
Diagnostic info: NO DTC codes were in Memory of PCM; has new battery (no problem cranking engine with starter); has a M.A.F. labeled "Japan" and "Reman" (have seen other posts mentioning one should avoid non-GM/A.C.Delco MAFs, but they do not say technically WHY, besides having a bad experience with such...); new spark plugs (only because they were 'due' for changing) made no difference to problem; when already running, engine "will" continue running if M.A.F. is un-plugged
(i.e. - the PCM "will" adjust things on-the-fly without the MAF sensor input...RPMs wander above and below 900RPM a bit, as expected).
Have scheduled installation of a new Catalytic Converter, thinking that it's old passages are likely clogged up from so many miles of use, and 'may' be shrinking when heat-soaked 10 minutes such that exhaust flow gets "too" restricted, perhaps exacerbating a borderline problem elsewhere. (Either way, the Cat is due for a change; it will get a new O2 sensor there also; sensor behind engine is new last year.)
Hmmm...just read the info about plastic intake manifolds' / gaskets leaking coolant into engine. Perhaps i have a slight leak of coolant into intake plenum, only when engine sits pressurized/hot for 10 minutes??...and that coolant is screwing-up my start-time Idle mixture causing stuttering...until it gets burned off??
Any thoughts from someone who has experienced my specific bizarre problem symptoms? Anyone have the FSM testing / troubleshooting info for the 1999 L36 IAC = Idle Air Control valve??
Have an intermittent problem: after 99 Bonne/L36 is driven, parked, 'hot'...it will start right up IF started within next 1-to-2 minutes. If we wait 10 or more minutes, engine cranks and may or may not start...if it does, idle is ROUGH, and RPMs wander between 1000 and 500 RPM...usually dies within 5 seconds, UNLESS i lightly tap throttle repeatedly....IF i can successfully keep engine running, it will suddenly start running smoothly and normally within about 10 seconds of that 'babying'. Then can be driven on highway normally and runs well for it's age / mileage of 162K.
Diagnostic info: NO DTC codes were in Memory of PCM; has new battery (no problem cranking engine with starter); has a M.A.F. labeled "Japan" and "Reman" (have seen other posts mentioning one should avoid non-GM/A.C.Delco MAFs, but they do not say technically WHY, besides having a bad experience with such...); new spark plugs (only because they were 'due' for changing) made no difference to problem; when already running, engine "will" continue running if M.A.F. is un-plugged
(i.e. - the PCM "will" adjust things on-the-fly without the MAF sensor input...RPMs wander above and below 900RPM a bit, as expected).
Have scheduled installation of a new Catalytic Converter, thinking that it's old passages are likely clogged up from so many miles of use, and 'may' be shrinking when heat-soaked 10 minutes such that exhaust flow gets "too" restricted, perhaps exacerbating a borderline problem elsewhere. (Either way, the Cat is due for a change; it will get a new O2 sensor there also; sensor behind engine is new last year.)
Hmmm...just read the info about plastic intake manifolds' / gaskets leaking coolant into engine. Perhaps i have a slight leak of coolant into intake plenum, only when engine sits pressurized/hot for 10 minutes??...and that coolant is screwing-up my start-time Idle mixture causing stuttering...until it gets burned off??
Any thoughts from someone who has experienced my specific bizarre problem symptoms? Anyone have the FSM testing / troubleshooting info for the 1999 L36 IAC = Idle Air Control valve??