very random supercharger question

[ricosuave420]

hey, i was just watching a few videos on youtube about the 2.2 and 2.4 liter kenne bell superchargers on the cobra svt's and thoes superchargers wine like its nobodys business, so i was just wondering, is it even mechanically feasible to put the oldschool 2.2 or 2.4 liter kenne bell supercharger on a 1993 bonneville ssei, which im sure as you all know already comes stock with the eaton m62 supercharger? thanks, just give me your thought, either a simple no/yes/are you insane man, or if it is possible a brief overview of how to do it and if not a brief overview of why its not mechanically feasible, thanks

[00Beast]

Is it possible? Maybe, provided you spend enough money on it. Is it worth it? Hell no. You would need a custom LIM or an adapter plate, figure out belt routing, plus then figure out how to get enough fuel into the engine and be able to tune for it, plus upgrade your transmission and the bottom end of your engine to be able to handle that boost. Stick with the M62, make sure your car is running in good order and scan for KR, then add an intake, 180° thermostat and a high flow cat. After that scan for KR again, and if you don't have any, then you can pulley down. You're a long way from needing the flow that a KB 2.2L puts out, plus your M62 can be a screamer with a smaller pulley and an intake.

[ricosuave420]

good lord, i know about cars, i consider myself to be above average with car knowledge, i know more than the average person but there are plenty of other people that know a butt load more than me, you are a perfect example lol, but holy smokes i didnt think that just swapping out a supercharger for another one, considering the fact that my engine already comes stock with a super it would be an easy transition, apparently not and apparently i have alot to learn. thank you for your detailed answer and telling me about your cautions and concerns, that i have a long ways to go before i even get the idea of a kenne bell in my head. i honesty needed to know if it was even slightly possible and im going to take away from your answer that there is a slight chance it can work so im going to run with that. i honestly do want to eventually put a kenne bell on my bonnie bc i will have that car until the end of time. my dad bought it brand new fully loaded back in 1992 and its been in my family ever since then so its certainly considered part of the family so i will eventually have the money and still have the car far down the line, its all a matter of when and most importantly if it is possible. thank you 00Beast for your great wisdom (no sarcasm intended), your advice and your words of caution.

[00Beast]

I was being a little facetious in my answer. You would have to have someone custom make a sheet metal LIM to the tune of $2000+, if they would do it at all. Then you would have to figure out how to make the engine even remotely ready to run; figure out a custom fuel rail, tuning, belt, TB adapter, etc.

You will be far better off finding an older mustang or something to do this all to for a weekend rodder. The only cars that have run Whipple/KB s/c's are highly modified Series II L67's with extremely modified valvetrains, aftermarket ported heads, custom pistons, etc. I don't think you really read what I posted.

Honestly, the car has 170,000 miles on it. Do a few mods, but save your $$$ and keep it in good running driving shape. If you haven't already, you're going to eventually have to replace struts, brakes, axles, the transmission, and the water pump to name just a few.

[ricosuave420]

well i can check off needing a new trans and new water pump, the trans was starting to go about 4k ago and the water pump went about 2k ago, so we are talking some serious custom work here, unless i get the best people and the best parts and the bets custom items its plausible but not realistic. ok thats what i needed to know, and one more quick question, i did have the idea about just getting an older mustang but i really want the luxary of the bonneville, is it possible to get a mustang and another bonneville, bc i would never risk hurting my baby, and swap out engines? my main concern obviously is that the mustang is rear wheel drive and the bonneville is front wheel drive, would the engine even fit in the bonneville?

[00Beast]

No, it's not possible, at all. That would be a terrible engine swap anyways.

Your best bet would be getting an Impala SS or Chevy Caprice with the LT1. They're already RWD and V8. Plenty of mods for them too.

[lowrider0308]

I'm going to be honest here...If you had "above average" car knowledge, you wouldn't be asking questions about this stuff. You would understand why a Mustang engine doesn't make sense in a FWD GM H-Body. You would understand that extensive fabrication skills, knowledge, and money would be required. Why are you not looking into upgrades for your 3800? I think you would be suprised what a pulley, intake, pcm and other available mods would do for your 3.8.

If you have to ask the questions you are asking, you are not ready to tackle an engine swap of that magnitude, if any.

[ricosuave420]

well the only reason that im not looking into upgrades for my 3800 is that in the past ive been told that since i have the series I l67, there are about 4 possible mods you can do to it because it is so basic, if i had a seriesII then i wouldnt need to go to other cars to find more power, lowrider0308 i have a 1993 bonneville ssei, and since we have gone through 3 m62's over 171k im not about to put more pressure on the supercharger because apparently it can barley keep the stock power it has now undercontrol. and yea the superchargers that we bought for replacement were refurbished, not bought out of a junk yard.

[willwren]

Time for coffee, then look at my signature. Click on the "click here for mod lists for both cars". There's a ton more than 3 or 4 mods for a Series 1 L67 out there, but that's getting off-topic in the Forced Induction section.

And your use of superchargers concerns me. I spin my superchargers well over factory spec on a regular basis. When rebuilt right, they last longer than the original. I'd be more concerned about who rebuilt them or where you got them than being worried about all of them lasting. I've personally rebuilt dozens of superchargers and nosedrives for myself and other members, and none have EVER failed.

[00Beast]

I have 170k on my original (as far as I know) Eaton M90 and have had NO issues with it. There's no play and its quiet. I'm also curious as to why you have replaced the S/C 3 times. What was it doing that made you think it was bad?

[01bonneSC]

How old of mustang are you talking? Like 94 with the mod motors? NWIH that is gonna fit under the hood.

Im gonna have a coffee with Bill and watch this thread....

[ricosuave420]

well i was looking at a 4.6 out of a 2002. and lowrider0308 you dont have to insult me like that, i am on this forum because i know more about cars than the average person as in i can change my own plugs, wires, change coolant, change the thermometer and do pressure tests on each cylinder, i am on this forum because i know that you guys know alot more than me and i was taking a shot in the dark that maybe you guys would know something about putting a rear wheel drive engine in a front wheel drive car that i didnt, you dont have to go and insult my intelligence or my word. unlike you i have an eagle scout award to back up my truths.

And responding to you 00Beast, the first super went at 100k, the bearings in the nose cone seized up, and the next 2 had similar problems but we weren't going to drive it until it breaks somewhere, it seems like we are doing something wrong with the nose cone of the supercharger, now im going to keep my little angel until the day i die so i dont care how much money i need to put into it to keep it running, but if i dont need to spend money i dont want to, does anyone know why a nose cone/ snout/ bearings in the nose cone keep on failing? bc according to you 00Beast, yours has 170k on the original and i would much like this current one to last as long. thanks for the help

[01bonneSC]

That OHC motor will never fit in your bonneville, WAY too wide.

Did you read Bills (willwren) supercharger page?

http://www.3800supercharger.net/

[ricosuave420]

no i had no idea that willren had a page devoted to just the superchargers, thanks for that bit of info 01bonneSC, and thank you also for explaining the shortened version of my question, it simply wont fit, thats all i needed to know, thanks for your help 01bonneSC

[willwren]

I asked you earlier where you were getting your replacement superchargers from.

[ricosuave420]

hey sorry willwren, but im not sure where i got the rebuilt supercharger, at least the last one from, since im just about always strapped for cash, for every mechanical bill that i get thats over 200$ my dad pays for it. (im in college) like what kind of basic maintenance should a supercharger get? i never though that a supercharger needed maintenance but now that im on my 4th one, im thinking im either doing something wrong or not doing anything at all.

[willwren]

Coupler every 100k or so. Bearings every 150k to 200k on STOCK blowers.
Oil should be checked at least every 3 months for level, more often if you see a leak.

That's it other than belt condition.

You're getting crappy rebuilds.

[Bonnefied_GM]

I know more about cars than the average person as in I can change my own plugs, wires, change coolant, change the thermometer and do pressure tests on each cylinder.

I'm at the same level of mechanical skills as you but I wouldn't call it "above average".

I don't care how much money I need to put into it to keep it running, but if I don't need to spend money, I don't want to.

That almost contradicts itself.

Since I'm just about always strapped for cash, for every mechanical bill that I get that's over $200 my dad pays for it (I'm in college).

That just about contradicts your statement of not caring about how much money you have to put in, not to mention college isn't the best time to dump money into huge projects. Your dad must be paying some hefty bills.

That being said, I'm not trying to come off as a dick or antagonize you, but given what I've read in this particular thread thus far, I think you'd be FAR better off maintaining and improving upon the great motor your Bonneville has in it. Want more supercharger whine or scream? Start with the intake. Make sure your motor and all it's systems are properly maintained and tuned up before starting on anything fancy. Take your time and don't rush in. Especially with the project you had in mind....that's going to take LOTS of money, time, and resources to even accomplish when for the same money, you could have a fast and screaming Bonnie, all simply because you wanted a Kenne Bell S/C.

[ricosuave420]

well Bonnefied_GM, when i say i know more than the average person i mean that for some things i can diagnose and repair things that other people would just go to a shop for, and every time i hit the supercharger i always turn down the music and tell everyone in the car to be quiet so i can clearly listen to the engine and supercharger so hear any knocking or abnormal noise when the engine is under heavy stress from the supercharger.

and when i said "I don't care how much money I need to put into it to keep it running, but if I don't need to spend money, I don't want to." i meant that if the water pump goes or the MAF sensor goes i am not going to just junk the bonnie because it needs big expensive repairs, i will put as much money as i need to to keep her running, and when i said "if i dont need to spend money i dont want to" i meant that if there is something wrong with the car that does not affect the mechanical aspect then i wont fix it. like my air shocks pump is going crazy and so the shocks are always rock hard and there is absolutly no give in the suspension so every single pot hole and speed pump hurts my spine so bad, but since its not going to affect the lifetime of the engine, and since i cant afford to fix it, im not going to, hence what i ment by i will put money into it if it means keeping it on the road but since i dont need to put money into the suspension to keep it on the road im not going to.

and when i say i want to make my bonnie great but and when i said "Since I'm just about always strapped for cash, for every mechanical bill that I get that's over $200 my dad pays for it (I'm in college)." i said that because i have herd from lots of other members on here that since my bonneville is the 1993 ssei and its the series I engine there are next to no mods that can be put on it, if there are some mods besides a cold air intake which i have already installed please let me know, i just wanted to clear up my statements, i do understand why what i have previously said would of appeared confusing but i hope now that u understand what i have been talking about. thanks a bunch for your help and feed back

[J Wikoff]

It seems like the OP is getting picked apart more than is really necessary. I'll ask everyone to please concentrate more on answering the thread subject.