Is this normal for GXP's??

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I disagree that it's wasted money. Oil is the lifeblood of your engine. I don't care if it's conventional or synthetic, it's out before 3k. Except for the van, which just burns it all off before 3k... :)

I don't care what the marketing on the bottle says, or what the oil manufacturer says. The additives in oil are a depreciating asset. Also, the OLMS in any GM vehicle is a joke. Until it does an actual chemical analysis of the oil, it's just basing it's "best guestimate" on a bunch of inputs and algorythm's. We would joke about it at the dealership.

That's my vice. I'll spend on it. I don't have many others... Having seen enough mistreated cars come through the service lanes, basing their oil changes on the OLMS, what a bottle tells them, or what some marketing campaign claims, I'll stick to my regimented PM process. I gaurantee any engine in my fleet of vehicles will see 200k at a minimum. Which in the long run saves major money as driving them until the wheels fall off and I'm not having to replace engines or cars (with another car payment). How do I do that? Regimented continual preventative maintenance, which includes oil changes. That extra little cost now to change the oil, saves me big in the long run.

Some of you would cringe if I told you didn't even make it to 1,000 miles on the Mobil 1 in the GTO between changes...

Heck, on the GXP, I'd have changed my oil 3 times, maybe 4 before the OLMS would suggest it. My selling the GXP before 100k was also a strategic measure to ensure I wasn't nickeled and dimed to death with that car as that was already becoming commonplace at 80k. I just didn't want that headache.
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Im just going off what others here have posted. The 'Hoe is a lil over 3K from the last oil change, oil life says 70% still, oil is still gold and smells good. Its staying in.
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Lane, have you had UOA's done on any of your cars? Oil isn't cheap, I'm going to make sure I use as much as I can, without doing damage to the engine. In my SSEi, the oil barely gets dark at 5k, definitely not used up.
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Yes. I've used Titan Labs in the past.

I may give Blackstone a try next. I think they give a little more detailed numbers analysis vs. Titan now. If there is one even more detailed than Blackstone, I'd like to hear about it.

Here is a report from Titan I had on the GXP;
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And just for the record, the base oil (whether conventional or synthetic) isn't what breaks down. It's all the additives that an oil manufacturer puts in that will wear down with age. As such, driving style, conditions, environmental factors, etc, all contribute to this.
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Believe me, I know. That's why Valvoline is able to make their Next Gen oil, they clean the base stock and mix it with new, along with a new additive package. However, I doubt the additive package in my Pennzoil is gone when I drain it at 7500 miles.
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Whether or not it's gone isn't the issue. It's the issue that it's a declining/depreciating asset. It wears more from 3k to 5k than it does from 1k to 3k. Both are 2k mile intervals.
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What's a rough cost of an UOA?
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Blackstone charges $25 for the testing, and will send you the bottle and a label for free.

http://www.blackstone-labs.com/free-test-kits.php
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Yea, it was $20 - $25 area for an individual test. I seem to recall having bought a box of them (10 or 12 kits), which include bottle, box, plastic bag to put the sample in (Before putting in the box), and a label for the bottle, and it cost me in total (with shipping), about $140. So obviously they gave a discount for buying in bulk.
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I've had three UOAs in a row with over 7k on them tell me to shoot for 9-10k or beyond. I don't drive the car like a grandma, and it has a level of mods that far surpasses your normal daily driver.

Today's oils are much better than what they used to be. 3k change are a waste of money and extra crap polluting our planet, IMO.
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Using $1.50 per quart Diesel rated Motorcraft "super-duty" 10w-30 oil and a $3 Baldwin filter:

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Using $2 per quart SN rated Citgo 5w-30 with an oversized AC Delco filter (for the 4.3L motors)

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Another $2 per quart SM rated oil, Philips Trop-Artic 10w-30, Bosch Premium filter

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I still disagree. I honestly don't care about how far oils have come along or technology in them. Mine is formed from years of being in a GM service department, seeing neglected car after neglected car come in with 10k interval oil changes and then needing a new engine at 75k, or 100k, etc... Not just one car that happens to be your personal car. If you're comfortable with your program, fine.

Rinse, lather, and repeat. It was like death and taxes.
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2006 Cadillac STS-V: Light Platinum Metallic/Light Gray/A6 - Spectre CAI, Magnaflow exhaust, Speed Inc. tune, 412 RWHP / 472lb/ft RWTQ

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I try to get my oil out between 3 and 4k miles no matter what. I use that NextGen stuff. It's good oil, and I could probably keep it in Penny for longer. But I feel way more comfortable with her slurping new oil. Plus you can feel a difference in idle smoothness and acceleration so I know it keeps her happier.
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While I do see your point Lane, most of us on here will run 10k and be just fine, most people on here replace plugs/wires/fuel filter regularly, which reduces wash-down into the oil, etc.
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I know this thread is old but I'm surprised at a couple things I keep reading here. Mostly the thought that synthetic is all that. Sure you may be able to go longer between changes but you also pay more. Also, the synthetic is more likely to leak out of old gaskets in older motors.
I'll stick with conventional oil and change every 3000 miles. Synthetic isn't all that and conventional does the same job protecting the motor.
Also, maybe a thing of the past but there's too many good options in oil to ever get me to put Pennzoil in my motors.
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As I posted in one of the other threads you brought up, Pennzoil Platinum is generally highly regarded. One of the better full synthetics out there.

I too tend to be a conventional person (due in part to the fact that it's getting drained in 3k, so why waste extra money), however, some of the synthetic blends and full synthetics also have higher zinc content. Higher zinc content helps with wear in pressure areas of the engine such as bearing surfaces and valvetrain components (I.E. cam lobes and lifters). So on higher mileage engines, this can be worth it.

Many oil manufacturer's have backed down the zinc content for emissions purposes in recent years. So on higher mileage engines, sometimes going with those blends or a full synthetic can be beneficial. I'm using Valvoline Max-Life "high mileage" (a synthetic blend) in the truck right now specifically for that reason. It has higher zinc contents than regular conventional Valvoline.
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Sorry. Old habits die hard and I'm from the era where Pennzoil was known garbage that caused a lot of damaged motors with it's excessive sludge. Too many other good oils out there for me to ever use it knowing what it was.
I'd be more inclined to use a blend before a full synthetic. Especially in a high mileage vehicle.
Probably why there's so many problems with oil leaks here and I have none. Synthetic in high mileage vehicles is known for this.
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This thread is from 2012 jdrake....
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jradke61 wrote:Sorry. Old habits die hard and I'm from the era where Pennzoil was known garbage that caused a lot of damaged motors with it's excessive sludge. Too many other good oils out there for me to ever use it knowing what it was.
I'd be more inclined to use a blend before a full synthetic. Especially in a high mileage vehicle.
Probably why there's so many problems with oil leaks here and I have none. Synthetic in high mileage vehicles is known for this.
Main seals will eventually leak. They're just a silicone/rubber composite. They are subject to heat, grime, chemicals, and other foreign particulates over time/mileage. They will leak regardless of the oil used. IT may just not be as much with a conventional.

Another thing to factor in, is the PCV system operating properly... If it's not, the seals will leak 9 times out of 10 regardless of oil in the crankcase.
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2006 Cadillac STS-V: Light Platinum Metallic/Light Gray/A6 - Spectre CAI, Magnaflow exhaust, Speed Inc. tune, 412 RWHP / 472lb/ft RWTQ

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