The dreaded "Surging while in OD going up hills" Problem
The dreaded "Surging while in OD going up hills" Problem
So I have replaced everything as stated in the common issues sticky for this problem (replaced plugs,wires,coils, and ICM) and it's still there. Any suggestions what this could be would be great.
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Re: The dreaded "Surging while in OD going up hills" Problem
I think its the torque converter clutch solenoid. Not allowing the converter to disengage when a load is put on it.
00Beast wrote:Less off-topic than Lane's Heated Steering wheel, but yeah, back to the topic.
Re: The dreaded "Surging while in OD going up hills" Problem
The car does change down a gear if i give the appropriate amount of throttle, its when im trying to be easy on it just getting up to speed on the on ramp in OD that it starts surging, if i give it more gas it drops a gear just fine.
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Re: The dreaded "Surging while in OD going up hills" Problem
Im having the *exact* same problem. I've had it for over a year now. Changed plugs, replaced front trans mount, tested coils but still nothing, and its getting progressively worse. Now it happens on level roads, usually around 1500rpm when lightly pressing the gas.
Im taking the car tomorrow for an oil change, replacing a burned out headlamp, tire alignment etc, and will try to have them properly diagnose what the hell is wrong with this car. Im hoping they have a scan tool they can use while driving the car to see if any of the cylinders are misfiring, or if the TCC solenoid is working. If its an ignition problem, thats easy and cheap to fix. If it is the TCC, Im screwed. Just no possible way I can afford any work done on the trans minus a fluid change or something.
Im taking the car tomorrow for an oil change, replacing a burned out headlamp, tire alignment etc, and will try to have them properly diagnose what the hell is wrong with this car. Im hoping they have a scan tool they can use while driving the car to see if any of the cylinders are misfiring, or if the TCC solenoid is working. If its an ignition problem, thats easy and cheap to fix. If it is the TCC, Im screwed. Just no possible way I can afford any work done on the trans minus a fluid change or something.
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Re: The dreaded "Surging while in OD going up hills" Problem
Exactly. The torque converter is unlocked when its not needed, I.e. dropping a gear.Cujo wrote:The car does change down a gear if i give the appropriate amount of throttle, its when im trying to be easy on it just getting up to speed on the on ramp in OD that it starts surging, if i give it more gas it drops a gear just fine.
00Beast wrote:Less off-topic than Lane's Heated Steering wheel, but yeah, back to the topic.
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Re: The dreaded "Surging while in OD going up hills" Problem
Does the tach bounce around while this happens?
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Re: The dreaded "Surging while in OD going up hills" Problem
Should also state that there is a diff between OD and OD in lock-up.
00Beast wrote:Less off-topic than Lane's Heated Steering wheel, but yeah, back to the topic.
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Re: The dreaded "Surging while in OD going up hills" Problem
I know this may sound odd, but check your front motor mount for tears. I think your getting engine rocking at low torque due to a torn front mount.Cujo wrote:So I have replaced everything as stated in the common issues sticky for this problem (replaced plugs,wires,coils, and ICM) and it's still there. Any suggestions what this could be would be great.
This very symptom went away after I switched to a solid (puck) mount.
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Re: The dreaded "Surging while in OD going up hills" Problem
I had it before and I have it after doing a front mount also.golfyeti wrote:I know this may sound odd, but check your front motor mount for tears. I think your getting engine rocking at low torque due to a torn front mount.Cujo wrote:So I have replaced everything as stated in the common issues sticky for this problem (replaced plugs,wires,coils, and ICM) and it's still there. Any suggestions what this could be would be great.
This very symptom went away after I switched to a solid (puck) mount.
00Beast wrote:Less off-topic than Lane's Heated Steering wheel, but yeah, back to the topic.
Re: The dreaded "Surging while in OD going up hills" Problem
yea i did the front mount a while ago with the pucks but never the rear, ive got one just gonna do it all at once
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Re: The dreaded "Surging while in OD going up hills" Problem
Just replace the rear one with a factory mount. DO NOT solid mount it.Cujo wrote:yea i did the front mount a while ago with the pucks but never the rear, ive got one just gonna do it all at once
00Beast wrote:Less off-topic than Lane's Heated Steering wheel, but yeah, back to the topic.
Re: The dreaded "Surging while in OD going up hills" Problem
yea i have a factory one just havent gotten to it yet
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Re: The dreaded "Surging while in OD going up hills" Problem
I have had this issue for awhile, but now its more noticable. Have you fixed the issue yet?Cujo wrote:So I have replaced everything as stated in the common issues sticky for this problem (replaced plugs,wires,coils, and ICM) and it's still there. Any suggestions what this could be would be great.
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Re: The dreaded "Surging while in OD going up hills" Problem
Getting the car back later today. Ended up being my torque converter. I try to do all my own work but i didnt have the proper equipment let alone the time to do this myself.
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Re: The dreaded "Surging while in OD going up hills" Problem
How did you find out? What would it cost to repair/replace the TCC? Im afraid to ask, because I just cant afford a transmission repair bill right now. As long as the problem doesnt leave me stranded somewhere, I dont mind having to put up with it until I get a new car. I've put way too much money in mine thus far.
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Re: The dreaded "Surging while in OD going up hills" Problem
If it might be the TC on mine, i had a friend tell me i should get a performance TC. I noticed intense-racing sells them... might be worth it for the stuff i plan on doing... Thats only if its the problem, i have to rule out ignition still.
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Re: The dreaded "Surging while in OD going up hills" Problem
Only a cam will require a performance converter, and your car will be a dog if you put it in w/o a cam.
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