supercharger

swampthing · Post by **swampthing** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:48 pm

you do realize that the block will never hold this right? people blow motors with one charger all the time. not trying to rain on your parade just trying to help

2000Silverbullet · Post by **2000Silverbullet** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:12 pm

He lives in Canada and we pay twice as much for parts than our US brothers. No exaggeration!

Sadden · Post by **Sadden** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:46 pm

swampthing wrote:you do realize that the block will never hold this right? people blow motors with one charger all the time. not trying to rain on your parade just trying to help

*sigh* i knew that was goiing to come up eventualy. the block or the tranny?

lewis26 · Post by **lewis26** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:54 am

Both.

2000Silverbullet · Post by **2000Silverbullet** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:57 am

Custom inlet plenum for two SC ~ 40 hours of your Dad's friends time + $1,000
PCM mods and tuning ~ $1,000
Exhaust upgrade ~ $1,000
Transmission upgrade ~ $4,000
Block rebuild with strengthening ~ $4,000

dirtracr95 · Post by **dirtracr95** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:12 am

swampthing wrote:you do realize that the block will never hold this right? people blow motors with one charger all the time. not trying to rain on your parade just trying to help

are you serious? didnt ZZP and Intense run 8's on a stock block? and a couple people are in the 9's stock block

bonnevillain · Post by **bonnevillain** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:14 am

i would think the block itself is fine, but almost everything short of that will need upgrading

dirtracr95 · Post by **dirtracr95** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:19 am

Ive never heard of any issues. But who says he needs 900+ hp out of a twin supercharger set up. Maybe he only wants 500hp which is ok with the stock shortblock.

1994se · Post by **1994se** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:26 am

For the money spent you could buy a S2 L67 and put a turbo kit on it and make more power with fewer problems.

Sadden · Post by **Sadden** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:48 am

im rebuilding the block very soon. im just getting into contact with people about strengthening the tranny and diff.
i want to run 400-500 hp with the two sc's and then all that with a 50-100 hp shot of nos. (the nos wont happen anytime soon these are more long term plans..) im sure the "block" will be fine. im wondering about the heads though.

Sadden · Post by **Sadden** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:57 am

alright i got a reply. thanks dirtracr95 i appreciate it

dirtracr95 · Post by **dirtracr95** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:23 pm

what did he say?

Sadden · Post by **Sadden** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:19 pm

he wants my vin and tranny id number and we can go from there. he is lolcate in indiana and i ive in alberta... but i wanna travel out there soon anyways cause my gf lives in ontario now... :( but im getting those numbers and im gonna see what he can do for me

Dirthead Racing · Post by **Dirthead Racing** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:36 pm

at the "NOS" "rod through the block" comment. For the record, the rods don't usually come through the block on 3800's. You'll chip a piston, and lose compression. If the chip is big enough you'll bend a valve. "rod through the block" keep reading on the internet and repeating as gospel

I don't know where certain mods get a bad rap

dirtracr95 · Post by **dirtracr95** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:41 am

Dirthead Racing wrote: at the "NOS" "rod through the block" comment. For the record, the rods don't usually come through the block on 3800's. You'll chip a piston, and lose compression. If the chip is big enough you'll bend a valve. "rod through the block" keep reading on the internet and repeating as gospel I don't know where certain mods get a bad rap

Maybe you dont fully understand how an engine works but If you run a huge shot of NO2 and dont retard the timing your cyl pressure is going to peak BEFORE you reach TDC and WILL try to force everything backwards either the crank will give or the rods. Its not a misfire or knock that chips pistons.

I didnt learn that on the internet I learned that from an actual engine builder who has built several 1000+ HP cars. Maybe YOU need to go to school and learn how stuff works.

There is nothing wrong with Nitrous as long as you tune for it properly. I know a guy who is running a 290 shot on a 5.4 truck motor that he swapped into his mustang he has no issues.

Dirthead Racing · Post by **Dirthead Racing** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:48 am

dirtracr95 wrote:
Dirthead Racing wrote: at the "NOS" "rod through the block" comment. For the record, the rods don't usually come through the block on 3800's. You'll chip a piston, and lose compression. If the chip is big enough you'll bend a valve. "rod through the block" keep reading on the internet and repeating as gospel I don't know where certain mods get a bad rap
Maybe you dont fully understand how an engine works but If you run a huge shot of NO2 and dont retard the timing your cyl pressure is going to peak BEFORE you reach TDC and WILL try to force everything backwards either the crank will give or the rods. Its not a misfire or knock that chips pistons.

I didnt learn that on the internet I learned that from an actual engine builder who has built several 1000+ HP cars. Maybe YOU need to go to school and learn how stuff works.

There is nothing wrong with Nitrous as long as you tune for it properly. I know a guy who is running a 290 shot on a 5.4 truck motor that he swapped into his mustang he has no issues.

Sorry, I guess running it on my car and maxing out the shot on my system doesn't qualify me to know what I'm talking about. I guess tearing my engine down to see what happened and learning from it and the multiple other blown engines doesn't qualify me to know what I'm talking about. Simply put, you're not correct........and I have more than a 1.5yr Wyotech degree.............nice try though. Do you even know what the advance on a 3800 car is? Figure that out then compare that to your "first hand experience listening to someone else who has put an engine before" experience and tell me that you need to worry about the rods. Better yet, find me an example of a 3800 rod failing, let alone going through the block. I'll be waiting

gigolo · Post by **gigolo** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:25 am

not to take sides here look tweaky up on clubgp and have a chat with him and he wil tell you what can happen i saw it first hand. he holds the record up here and blew it apart this last year.

Dirthead Racing · Post by **Dirthead Racing** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:56 am

Was he running stock pistons?

I'm sure there are no known piston failures from predetonation without nitrous, not that the predetonation is the cylider firing prior to TDC or anything

Sadden · Post by **Sadden** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:01 pm

im sorry to see an argument in the works.
that being said...
TWIN SUPERCHARGERS

lol
im thinking of getting functional hood vents and putting the twin air intake right after either vent. i need a custom hood n e ways. look something like the g8s vents but with air intake filter behind a black mesh or something...

Dirthead Racing · Post by **Dirthead Racing** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:24 pm

Sadden wrote:im sorry to see an argument in the works.
that being said...
TWIN SUPERCHARGERS lol
im thinking of getting functional hood vents and putting the twin air intake right after either vent. i need a custom hood n e ways. look something like the g8s vents but with air intake filter behind a black mesh or something...

My bad, Twin supercharger talk commence.

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