So apparently my 0-60 time (found in signature) is slow , so a fellow bonneville member has advised to me... I'm not quite sure what could be so slow about it considering it's a v6 3.8L 3800 Series II engine, but on top of that all of the modifications can be found on the website (also on my signature) i'm too lazy to type them all out so just go to the youtube site and read the description, all modifications were bought at an after market (Auto Toyz) store, they were not ebayed. Any suggestions please tell me

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1998 Pontiac Bonneville SE - ? Horsepower / ? Torque
Current: 0-60 in 9 seconds
Goal: 0-60 in 8.5 // 1/4 Mile 15.5
My Bonneville (Updated)
Black Revolt

Yeah, that's pretty bad. You should be pulling a 8.5-8.8 with the 3.05 ratio in good running condition. Something is definitely wrong.

Any Check engine light?
Is the idle rough?
Is the car hard to start when the engine is cold?
Does your cat converter get extremely hot, maybe to the point where it's glowing?
When was the last tune up done? If you don't know, get it done. NGK, ACDelco, or Autolite plugs are recommended, and Napa Belden "Blue" wires or AcDelco wires are the most common choice. Also do your PCV valve and fuel filter.

There are so many factors in making a car run slow, this is just a few of them. For example, I just replaced my EGR tube about 2 months ago, it had a very small crack in it, and WHAM-O, I shed two tenths of a second off my 0-60 times, now around 7.4, which is far better than stock and I only have a FWI and a high-flow cat. Aside from the fact that my manifolds have cracks in them, I am still pulling pretty good times.

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2012 Grand Cherokee Overland Summit - Hemi
1996 Thunderbird LX - 3.8

Yeah, thats a good 1/4 mile time, bad 0-60 time...

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2000 SE: 17" Chrome Grand Prix GTP wheels, Pirelli P-Zero Nero Rubber.
180,000 miles and running smooth

Lets get some more info on this...



Have you had the car dynoed? Your car has 205hp stock, not 225

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Andrew - owner/operator of Bonnevilles Unlimited

2004 Bonneville GXP | 60k | White Gold Tricoat | custom built supercharged 3800 hot rod | garage queen
1997 Corvette | 55k | Silver Metallic | Z06 wheels | Date-night Hauler/Parts runner
2014 Town & Country Limited | Cashmere Pearl | 95k | Family Hauler
2002 Ram 1500 Quad Cab Sport | Black| 260k | Official Bonneville Hauler

My videos can be found below, I am running about 8-9 seconds in 0-60. (3,446 curb weight of yours compared to the 3,590 of mine) Yes, I have the 3.05 gear ratio as well.

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=JBMark33&p=r

I believe I ran 8 seconds on the video shot from the passenger seat.

My car has everything tuned up, only performance mod is the ricer intake which I need to build a heat shield for.

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Previous: '06 Audi S4 Quattro 6MT (for sale!)
'06 Chevy Cobalt SS, Stage II: 2.0L Supercharged, 16psi boost, G85 Package; Recaro Racing Seats, Limited Slip Differential, 5 Speed Manual
'00 Pontiac Bonneville SE ( 4 years, 197,000 miles)
'99 Dodge Intrepid ES (1 year, 2 engines)
'95 Chevy Lumina (2 years, 164,000 miles)

This is my 95....

This is after, the Ported Front and Rear manifolds... Ported Lower Intake.... and High Flow Kitty Cat as well as a Gutted Air Box with a K&N
Also keep in mind this was with a Full tank of Fuel, and on a tired Trans

that's definitely a bit slow. I haven't been to a track or anything but I've counted about 8 seconds from 0-60 in my 98 SE.

I'd say a good tune-up is in order. Spark plugs & wires (get GM's wires), fuel filter, PCV, check air filter, check your ignition coils (check the techinfo link on top of website), clean your MAF, make sure you have a MAF screen, check your front O2 sensor (DO NOT buy Bosch sensor), make sure your O2 sensor wire isn't touching a spark plug wire, check for vacuum leaks, clean your battery wires where they connect, make sure your belt is snug, check your throttle position sensor (again check the techinfo link), check your catalytic converter, and also make sure your rear brakes are adjusted correctly. Basically you should go to the techinfo link and have at it. The only things I would blindly purchase without checking are the fuel filter, MAF cleaner spray, PCV, and spark plugs & wires because those are all relatively cheap. Everything else should be checked though.


The PCM may also be the issue though. I've read that some people's 'tuned' PCMs have actually made them slower. Some places tune for drivability and not for speed.

I have new spark plugs and wires (acdelco), the performance chip is said to increase horsepower up to 10 or 15 or whatever so that's 220 and then w/ the drop in k&n air filter that's suppose to increase like 2-3 more horsepower and with the top of the line oil i use that should increase maybe 1-2 horse, so 225 is a good estimation at where my horsepower is at. it's hard to find nice long straightaways in Iowa (hilly), but the road i did it on had a slight hill. So I don't really know. If it's costly to do all that stuff you said, i'm not even gonna bother lol...

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1998 Pontiac Bonneville SE - ? Horsepower / ? Torque
Current: 0-60 in 9 seconds
Goal: 0-60 in 8.5 // 1/4 Mile 15.5
My Bonneville (Updated)
Black Revolt

i can try and find a 0-60 straightaway, but it'd probably be out in the country, can't find a road long enough w/o it having a dip or a big old hill.

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1998 Pontiac Bonneville SE - ? Horsepower / ? Torque
Current: 0-60 in 9 seconds
Goal: 0-60 in 8.5 // 1/4 Mile 15.5
My Bonneville (Updated)
Black Revolt

Its ok, you can tell em it was me bothering you about it I just don't like to see people have to deal with malfunctioning vehicles, especially if they don't know!

As I, and others mentioned before, if you're making 225, you'd be seeing sub 8 second 0-60 times.

Finding a long enough road shouldn't be a problem. The video I pm'ed you a while back, that was a VERY short amount of area, didn't take long.

I'd post it again for S&G, but even my time of 9.5 was horrible. That car wasn't in tip top shape per se...and that's precisely why I wonder why yours is even further slow...and its well taken care of in comparison.

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John
Now: '15 Toyota Prius III | 134 hp 2ZR-FXE | Silver | 36k
Now: '03 Honda CR-V AWD | Slow 4-Cylinder | Dirt | 180k
Then: '07 Ford Fusion SEL | 221hp Gen I VVT Duratec 3.0 V6 | Tungsten Silver | 150k
Then: '99 Toyota Avalon XL | 200hp 1MZ-FE 3.0 V6 | Diamond White | 189k | Sold: July 2015
Then: '11 Ford Fusion SEL | 240hp Gen II VVT Duratec 3.0 V6 | Ingot Silver | 84k | Totaled: Oct 23 '14 (Rear-Ended)
Then: '96 Buick Park Avenue Ultra | 240hp Series II L67 | Medium Dark Lichen | Bought: JAN 11 @ 135k | Accident: FEB 3 '12 | Crushed: MAR 1 '13 @ 153K
Then: '98 Pontiac Bonneville SSE | 205hp Series II 3800 L36 | Topaz Firemist | Bought: NOV '09 @ 74k | Accident: MAY 28 '10 | Crushed: MAR 15 '11 @ 84k
Then: '93 Pontiac Bonneville SE | 170hp Series I 3800 L27 | Dark Yellow Green | Bought: JULY '07 @ 92k | Sold: JULY '12 @ 118k
Then: '89 Pontiac Bonneville LE | 165hp 3800 LN3 | Medium Garnet Red | Bought: JAN '05 @ 117k | Sold: SEP 30 '07 @ 152k

Umm, I don't know but it is NA and only has 240 ft-lbs

I would think that 8 - 9 seconds would be about right.

Nice that it gets right up to 6000 rpm shifts. That can't be stock.

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2000 SSEi - SilverBullet - 78,000 kms, 4" "straight shot" custom headlight ram air inlet, TOGs, 1.9's, Lsd, 2.9-3.4"MPS 10-15 psi, Ported GenV, EGR eliminated, OR pushrods, oil volume kit, trani cooler & shift kit, Titanium retainers, 90 lb springs, 160 Stat, 42# injectors, Fuel pump voltage increase, Wideband O2, 3" to dual 2 1/2" Magnaflows, Snow Meth/water injection, after SC temp gauge, 255/50WR17, timing commander set 15-18*@WOT, 2 speed Fan over-ride, disabled DRL, Solid motor mount, Meziere Electric water pump, adjustable fuel pressure regulator, Drilled & slotted rotors/ceramics, GXP sway bars and STB, Upgraded and rebuilt transmission with ZZP 2500 rpm stall TC, Pioneer Bluetooth stereo with sub and 800 W amps, PB 13.5 quarter, (April 2014 car of the month)

What kind of "chip" are you using?

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2004 Buick Lesabre Limited, Gran Touring
Bone Stock

1998 Buick Lesabre Limited, Gran Touring
Retired

John, that's because your mean green machine is really dark yellow green.

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2000 SSEi - SilverBullet - 78,000 kms, 4" "straight shot" custom headlight ram air inlet, TOGs, 1.9's, Lsd, 2.9-3.4"MPS 10-15 psi, Ported GenV, EGR eliminated, OR pushrods, oil volume kit, trani cooler & shift kit, Titanium retainers, 90 lb springs, 160 Stat, 42# injectors, Fuel pump voltage increase, Wideband O2, 3" to dual 2 1/2" Magnaflows, Snow Meth/water injection, after SC temp gauge, 255/50WR17, timing commander set 15-18*@WOT, 2 speed Fan over-ride, disabled DRL, Solid motor mount, Meziere Electric water pump, adjustable fuel pressure regulator, Drilled & slotted rotors/ceramics, GXP sway bars and STB, Upgraded and rebuilt transmission with ZZP 2500 rpm stall TC, Pioneer Bluetooth stereo with sub and 800 W amps, PB 13.5 quarter, (April 2014 car of the month)

It was a video of my old '98 SE, not the 93.

Engage S&G here.



And you absolutely have to be faster than a 170hp stock L27

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John
Now: '15 Toyota Prius III | 134 hp 2ZR-FXE | Silver | 36k
Now: '03 Honda CR-V AWD | Slow 4-Cylinder | Dirt | 180k
Then: '07 Ford Fusion SEL | 221hp Gen I VVT Duratec 3.0 V6 | Tungsten Silver | 150k
Then: '99 Toyota Avalon XL | 200hp 1MZ-FE 3.0 V6 | Diamond White | 189k | Sold: July 2015
Then: '11 Ford Fusion SEL | 240hp Gen II VVT Duratec 3.0 V6 | Ingot Silver | 84k | Totaled: Oct 23 '14 (Rear-Ended)
Then: '96 Buick Park Avenue Ultra | 240hp Series II L67 | Medium Dark Lichen | Bought: JAN 11 @ 135k | Accident: FEB 3 '12 | Crushed: MAR 1 '13 @ 153K
Then: '98 Pontiac Bonneville SSE | 205hp Series II 3800 L36 | Topaz Firemist | Bought: NOV '09 @ 74k | Accident: MAY 28 '10 | Crushed: MAR 15 '11 @ 84k
Then: '93 Pontiac Bonneville SE | 170hp Series I 3800 L27 | Dark Yellow Green | Bought: JULY '07 @ 92k | Sold: JULY '12 @ 118k
Then: '89 Pontiac Bonneville LE | 165hp 3800 LN3 | Medium Garnet Red | Bought: JAN '05 @ 117k | Sold: SEP 30 '07 @ 152k

The 98 was better than the 93 and about 1 sec quicker. Nice little squeal on take off.

The 93 ran about 11 sec to 60 which was the same as my old Pontiac with a 250 straight six than would not rev more than 4500 rpm.
Even a 4 cylinder 74 Pinto would beat it at 10 sec 0-60.


Notice how much higher the 98 shifted than the 93.

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2000 SSEi - SilverBullet - 78,000 kms, 4" "straight shot" custom headlight ram air inlet, TOGs, 1.9's, Lsd, 2.9-3.4"MPS 10-15 psi, Ported GenV, EGR eliminated, OR pushrods, oil volume kit, trani cooler & shift kit, Titanium retainers, 90 lb springs, 160 Stat, 42# injectors, Fuel pump voltage increase, Wideband O2, 3" to dual 2 1/2" Magnaflows, Snow Meth/water injection, after SC temp gauge, 255/50WR17, timing commander set 15-18*@WOT, 2 speed Fan over-ride, disabled DRL, Solid motor mount, Meziere Electric water pump, adjustable fuel pressure regulator, Drilled & slotted rotors/ceramics, GXP sway bars and STB, Upgraded and rebuilt transmission with ZZP 2500 rpm stall TC, Pioneer Bluetooth stereo with sub and 800 W amps, PB 13.5 quarter, (April 2014 car of the month)

It was about 500rpms difference.

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Previous: '06 Audi S4 Quattro 6MT (for sale!)
'06 Chevy Cobalt SS, Stage II: 2.0L Supercharged, 16psi boost, G85 Package; Recaro Racing Seats, Limited Slip Differential, 5 Speed Manual
'00 Pontiac Bonneville SE ( 4 years, 197,000 miles)
'99 Dodge Intrepid ES (1 year, 2 engines)
'95 Chevy Lumina (2 years, 164,000 miles)

The 93 is about 9.8 seconds

and the 98 was about 9.5

A Pinto?! Why I oughta

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John
Now: '15 Toyota Prius III | 134 hp 2ZR-FXE | Silver | 36k
Now: '03 Honda CR-V AWD | Slow 4-Cylinder | Dirt | 180k
Then: '07 Ford Fusion SEL | 221hp Gen I VVT Duratec 3.0 V6 | Tungsten Silver | 150k
Then: '99 Toyota Avalon XL | 200hp 1MZ-FE 3.0 V6 | Diamond White | 189k | Sold: July 2015
Then: '11 Ford Fusion SEL | 240hp Gen II VVT Duratec 3.0 V6 | Ingot Silver | 84k | Totaled: Oct 23 '14 (Rear-Ended)
Then: '96 Buick Park Avenue Ultra | 240hp Series II L67 | Medium Dark Lichen | Bought: JAN 11 @ 135k | Accident: FEB 3 '12 | Crushed: MAR 1 '13 @ 153K
Then: '98 Pontiac Bonneville SSE | 205hp Series II 3800 L36 | Topaz Firemist | Bought: NOV '09 @ 74k | Accident: MAY 28 '10 | Crushed: MAR 15 '11 @ 84k
Then: '93 Pontiac Bonneville SE | 170hp Series I 3800 L27 | Dark Yellow Green | Bought: JULY '07 @ 92k | Sold: JULY '12 @ 118k
Then: '89 Pontiac Bonneville LE | 165hp 3800 LN3 | Medium Garnet Red | Bought: JAN '05 @ 117k | Sold: SEP 30 '07 @ 152k

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Current: '12 Audi S4 Quattro Prestige 6MT

Previous: '06 Audi S4 Quattro 6MT (for sale!)
'06 Chevy Cobalt SS, Stage II: 2.0L Supercharged, 16psi boost, G85 Package; Recaro Racing Seats, Limited Slip Differential, 5 Speed Manual
'00 Pontiac Bonneville SE ( 4 years, 197,000 miles)
'99 Dodge Intrepid ES (1 year, 2 engines)
'95 Chevy Lumina (2 years, 164,000 miles)

Here is the deal... The L27 3800 Series I was forced to shift at 5200, it had a red line of 5600 but for what ever reason Gm shifted it at 5200.. If you hit 5600 where the fuel cut off is, then there is a problem...lol

On the 1995 L36, GM let it shift 5950( 6200 Fuel Cut Off ) 1-2 and 5750 2-3...

Strange part was that for 1996+ GM forced the trans to shift 5750 1-2 and I believe 5750 2-3...

Ok i did it, the first 0-60 was 12, the second one i did was 11ish, and then the third one i did was 10 seconds, and i did every one of them different.
1st - 0-60 (D) = 12 seconds
2nd - (1) to 20 - (2) to 30 - (3) to 40 - (D) to 60 = 11 seconds
3rd - (1) to 30 - (2) to 40 - (3) to 50 - (D) to 60 = 10 seconds

It all depends on how I shifted it seems, it's an automatic though, sooo...??? comments after this please!

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1998 Pontiac Bonneville SE - ? Horsepower / ? Torque
Current: 0-60 in 9 seconds
Goal: 0-60 in 8.5 // 1/4 Mile 15.5
My Bonneville (Updated)
Black Revolt