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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:19 am 
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Found this on craigslist, listed as parting out but no pics, number, prices etc..

I shot out an email asking about price on the whole car, she called me back an hour later and said I could have it for $500 then sent me some pics. Needless to say, I left work early and took a three hour round trip to Lansing and back to look at it and give her a deposit on it until this weekend when my dad could pick it up and bring it up here.

Her story: Sat for about three months with flat junk tires on it, she put some good used ones on it and then it wouldn't start, said something is draining the battery. She talked to a couple mechanics that told her that some power switches are staying on and she would have to take it to a dealership to get the part, when she did try to start it she said that there was a "fireball in the intake line" and "the intake line might need replacing" Right away I pulled the engine cover off expecting to see the intake blown apart from a bad FPR, not the case though, all is well. She also said that sometimes the blinkers work and sometimes they don't, and the sunroof (aftermarket) would sometimes open up on it's own or not work at all. The car has 260,000 miles on it (I haven't checked yet, that's just what she said) and she was in a little accident a few years ago with it so the front and some of the drivers side has been repainted / fixed. ZERO rust at all around the gas door which is very rare around here, especially for one that is only sold for $500! She said the trans was rebuilt four years ago too, also has new front struts.

As of right now I really have no idea if I have a total basket case on my hands or if I have a simple easy fix and a good DD. Either way, for $500 I simply couldn't go wrong! I regret selling my '02 SLE I had last year and have been looking around for the right deal to pop up and this just may be it... time will tell :lol: I will need to find a head unit, I will go aftermarket as all the wiring and Pioneer speakers are there, but she took her headunit out.

My dad tried to get it started, I told him to pull the vac line off the FPR before trying it just in case. He said it was backfiring a lot, but only had a few minutes to check it out. I will do some more checking around in the next week a little at a time when I have time to see if it is a quick issue or something major.

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I asked about these seats in another recent topic ;)
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Engine is NASTY! Nothing I can't clean up though if it runs good :beerchug:
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Yea, duals, yea, '92-'99 style :lol: She said it sounds good and not too loud, I will see though.
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She had some 22" on it a while back too Not really my style, but I have seen worse!
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Now, with that all said and done....

IF the car turns out like I hope, an easy fix or not a TON of money into it, I have some plans and ideas and maybe dreams :lol:

I still have that 2000 SSEi parts car - your-ride-pics-and-videos/topic36180.html

Wheels will be swapped over
Heated seats will be swapped
FE2 will be swapped
SSEi brakes

Things I would like to do, but not sure if some of it is even possible to swap from a 2000 SSEi to a 2002 SE...
SSEi side molding and rear bumper (would need paint)
ELC swap
HUD swap
ELC swap if the SE doesn't have it?
DIC cluster

basically all the SSEi options I would like to put on this car :lol:

Dreaming...
Top swap, I believe I have just about everything I would need, probably need intake / exhaust mods though and I am sure a tune, haven't really actually looked into it yet.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:56 am 
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Had a little time to mess with it this morning, swapped in another battery to fire it up quicker, found it was only firing on one or two cylinders.

Pulled off the wires for the front three cylinders and rolled it over, only heard a couple sparks jump so I swapped the ICM and all three coils with a known good one. Also pulled the front three plugs and they were NASTY! Cleaned them up with my propane torch and put them back in.

All set to go, hit the key and it fired a bit better but still missing and wouldn't actually run. I held it wide open to clear any fuel in the cylinders until it acted like it wasn't firing at all then let off the gas and it took right off! Ran like crap for a bit and made some noise, but eventually smoothed out and ran good. Engine still makes a little noise when giving it a little snap of the throttle from idle, but that could be because it needs an oil change so bad. I am thinking it needs intake gaskets and probably a UIM, it was blowing out some white smoke pretty good, not terrible, but definitely noticeable. No coolant in the oil though.

Drove it around the house, shifted into second gear nice and smooth, won't have it on the road though just yet so no idea how the rest of it is, so far so good though!


All said and done, I am VERY happy for $500!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:13 pm 
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That is a great score in my opinion. Wish I could find something like it around here as a beater/flip.

For some reason I recognize that picture of the car when it had the rimzzz on it. :lol:

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Looks like a *dang* good deal! If you do swap over everything, it would a funny car. SEi. XD

For a top swap, I wouldn't do it without headers right off the bat.

Also, I have a good UIM with ~200 miles on it I will give to you for DIRT cheap. My parents are making me clean up the garage of all my "Bonneville crap." Hahaha

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You want a good recepie for a nice, quick running L36?

*Doorman upper
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*L67 TB blended to L36 intake
*L26 fuel rail, 26lbs. injectors and '00 Corvette fuel filter (has it's own FPR)
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*3.29 gear ratio
*Lots of tuning time

Trust me when I say I found some horsepower and torque when I did my '97 using those mods. Scangage II showed a consistent 245 hp/255 lbs-ft of torque.

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You want a good recepie for a nice, quick running L36?

*Doorman upper
*Ported Lower
*L67 TB blended to L36 intake
*L26 fuel rail, 26lbs. injectors and '00 Corvette fuel filter (has it's own FPR)
*HPT
*CAI
*3.29 gear ratio
*Lots of tuning time

Trust me when I say I found some horsepower and torque when I did my '97 using those mods. Scangage II showed a consistent 245 hp/255 lbs-ft of torque.



before dumping any money into a 1/4 million mile engine . check the compression . make sure the bottom end is gona last say another 50-150 k .

before u spent all that money on new upper end and parts to make it run perfect .

IMO if it running decent . do the minor maintenance items and go from there . ( IE oil change and SEAFOAM the fuel system ! Change Spark Plugs & Wires !!!!!!) Since u got a good ICM and Coils now .

When it does it boging or stumble before u smash the gas . does the rpm gauge flutter with the engine noise ?

if it does its a ingition promblem . if the rpm says the same but it starts runing ruff . its a gas promblem or air

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Engine is NASTY! Nothing I can't clean up though if it runs good :beerchug:
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Looks like u got a big front valve cover leak , where is all that sludge coming from ? Vavle cover or UIM ? Hopefully not the Head gasket ( very rare )

LOL a aftermarket alarm , I betcha there ur problem for the battery drain .

some one could of did it wrong and hooked it up drawing power over time .

take it out u dont need it lol it has a factory alarm . did u get any key fobs ?

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Nice buy Ryan!!! Bet that paint will be pretty shiny really soon.

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Yeah...I did all that on a 4k mile L26 I picked up :btruestory:

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The current car doesn't have heated seats, does it? If it doesn't, you're pretty much going to have to swap over the entire body harness to get them to work...

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What color code is this 2002 se ?

a good days worth of cleaning you have there . But it will look good after you clean and buff them rims . and wash that thing inside and out .

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That's an exact clone of my 00 SE.

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Looks like a helluva car for $500, especially with relatively little work to get it running! Nice score! I'm looking forward too seeing your amazing detail work on it!

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SPLLOUDER wrote:
sandrock wrote:
You want a good recepie for a nice, quick running L36?

*Doorman upper
*Ported Lower
*L67 TB blended to L36 intake
*L26 fuel rail, 26lbs. injectors and '00 Corvette fuel filter (has it's own FPR)
*HPT
*CAI
*3.29 gear ratio
*Lots of tuning time

Trust me when I say I found some horsepower and torque when I did my '97 using those mods. Scangage II showed a consistent 245 hp/255 lbs-ft of torque.



before dumping any money into a 1/4 million mile engine . check the compression . make sure the bottom end is gona last say another 50-150 k .

before u spent all that money on new upper end and parts to make it run perfect .

IMO if it running decent . do the minor maintenance items and go from there . ( IE oil change and SEAFOAM the fuel system ! Change Spark Plugs & Wires !!!!!!) Since u got a good ICM and Coils now .

When it does it boging or stumble before u smash the gas . does the rpm gauge flutter with the engine noise ?

if it does its a ingition promblem . if the rpm says the same but it starts runing ruff . its a gas promblem or air



No mods would be done on this engine until it is proven to be solid. Even then, modding it as far as adding much power is more thinking out loud then anything, it will be more likely to remain stock, but time will tell.

Once I get it on the road I will see about the plugs and wires. If it runs good and gets good mileage then the plugs / wires will stay, no need to fix what isn't broken ;)

No bogging or stumbling anymore, runs very smooth I can just tell it is getting coolant in the combustion chambers as it puffs some white smoke and starts to spit and miss a bit after it idles for a minute or so.




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Engine is NASTY! Nothing I can't clean up though if it runs good :beerchug:
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Looks like u got a big front valve cover leak , where is all that sludge coming from ? Vavle cover or UIM ? Hopefully not the Head gasket ( very rare )

LOL a aftermarket alarm , I betcha there ur problem for the battery drain .

some one could of did it wrong and hooked it up drawing power over time .

take it out u dont need it lol it has a factory alarm . did u get any key fobs ?


It has much more then a valve cover gasket leak LOL The whole engine is just covered in sludge. It will be cleaned spotless in time though, no worries there :beerchug:

The alarm will certainly be removed and eliminated as the source of the power drain, hoping it isn't though as it is a nice Viper 2 way remote start as well. I will just disable the alarm part if it works ok.

No key fobs, not worried there though.



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The current car doesn't have heated seats, does it? If it doesn't, you're pretty much going to have to swap over the entire body harness to get them to work...


No heated seats in the SE. This is one of the things I figured would be some work but wasn't exactly sure how much. I know I have a TON of research to do with all that I want to swap out anyway so might as well do it all if it is possible. If the entire body harness can be swapped in to make the stuff I want work then that is what will be done.

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What color code is this 2002 se ?

a good days worth of cleaning you have there . But it will look good after you clean and buff them rims . and wash that thing inside and out .


No idea what the paint code is, definitely a couple days cleaning with this one and those rims are DEFINITELY NOT staying on :lol: Those will be winter wheels for winter tires, but it will get the extra set of bent 5s I have =P~

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If the plugs were that nasty, then the electrodes are probably eroded pretty bad. They are so cheap, it's not worth trying to make them last...

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The plugs looked nasty because of crap on them, cheap or not they won't be replaced unless they are bad and either misfire or I have bad gas mileage. I am not going to fix what ain't broke.... that's like wiping before you poop, it just don't make sense.

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No, I understand getting the car running and making sure it's worth putting money into, but if you're actually going to drive it as-is, a tune-up should be first on the list, especially if you do the UIM and Intake gaskets. They are a wear item, just like tires, and you need to replace them when their useful life is up. You don't drive around on bald tires, at least not for long...

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Exactly, but if the tires have good tread, balance out well, no flat spots in them and no broken belts you wouldn't replace them now would you.

If there is no issue with the plugs there is no reason to waste my time and money changing them. When I get the gaskets done and engine cleaned up, I will drive it and then determine if the plugs need replaced. If there is no miss and good mileage than they will stay in there until they become an issue.

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Title transfer, insurance, and plate today. Also oil change and front valve cover gasket.

Drives really nice! A few issues need to be addressed, front control arm bushings are shot and it definitely has an odd electrical issue with the drivers window switch - left rear window up is down and down is up (haven't tried from it's own door switch) right rear window switch on drivers door switch actually moves the mirrors to the left and nothing on that window, however that window does operate on it's own switch.

All said and done, I am VERY happy with what I have so far for $500 :)

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Quick powerwash to the engine... needs a TON more cleaning, but still an improvement.
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