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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 4:30 pm 
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Still the squishy pedal issue right? Is it possible the MS is bad out of the box? I assume if there was a leak some where, you would have seen it by now.

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MC works on the bench, but when installed on the car can't bleed. I think that the angle it's at has air getting trapped in the MC. Bench bleed got the slave bled and everything worked great. Had to disconnect the hard line to re-install and then it does not work. I'm going to park it on a sharp incline to force a better gravity bleed next.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 1:16 pm 
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This is where we are today, I've actually driven it under it's own power, but still down on the clutch issue. Not sure what to do about that, I might try bench bleeding it with a flexible line so that I don't have to disconnect it from the MC when I re-install.

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You're sure it's the master? Definately preferable to having to pull the slave cylinder.

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Do you think the technique used in the video you posted earlier would work if you used a better source of vacuum. Maybe a hand pump, or even ac type vacuum pump?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b28CahjQd48

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To be honest, I'm not sure what is going on with the clutch. There is an aluminum cylinder on the end of the MC that I haven't seen on any from other vehicles, I'm betting air is getting trapped in it, but I haven't even figured out what it's function is to begin with.

I do know that I was able to get it to work when I had the MC and pedal out of the car, above the slave. I had to disconnect the hard line to reinstall it in the car though, and of course that means that all the fluid had to come out of the MC.

Current plan plan is to replace the hard line with a braided steel line that is flexible. This way all I have to do is get it working before I install then disconnect the quick connect fitting at the trans, which prevents fluid from leaking out, and fish the flex line through the firewall to install the pedal.

With any luck the original MC I have will work and I can return the new one.

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Matt, I have a tool that measures vacuum, can bleed brake lines, and create a vacuum to test parts:
http://www.eautotools.com/product-p/mitmv8255.htm
Mine isn't this nice and I don't remember paying this much for it, but then I've had it for a while. I hope this helps. Wish I was close enough to loan it to you. If you moved down here where it isn't so cold and no road salt, you would be (LMAO!). - BC

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I have an AC vac pump that pulls just shy of full vacuum. -28.5"Hg last time it was used. I will be heading down state, probably 20 mins or so from you. If you want to try that method, I can bring it with me. That is, if you don't have it figured out in the next few days. You would probably have to make an oil catch. It currently has 1/4NPT fitting.

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I know how the last minute problems feel, sucks matt. Unfortunatly i have zore experience with clutches but i wish you luck and hopefully it's an easy fix!

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That looks great man! Sorry about the clutch issues though!

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So the good news is the 36" Mustang clutch stainless hose has the same quick disconnect ends as is used on the MC and bleeder assembly, so It's a drop in solution!

I got one through Summit: MCL-139251

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Even better news!!

It mostly works! I have 6 gears, plus reverse! And a dire need for a tune and a wheel alignment though.

The double roller chain almost sounds like a gear driven set too and combined with the exhaust note... And the turbo and BOV works: PSSSHT!

I did find a small exhaust leak on one of my headers though, the wastegate leaks coolant at one of the fittings, a minor brake line leak, and a drip of oil every 10 minutes coming from the oil pan gasket...

So the bad part of the clutch is that it's almost to the floor to get to the friction zone. I would have expected it to be about 50% of the travel. I think there's some air in the lines yet, going to find a steep hill to park on...

Turns out that the MC I have doesn't self bleed very well. I had to put the MC higher than the slave, and the reservoir above the MC, and slowly pump it to get air out. The quick disconnect is spring loaded so the pre-bleeding held, and the flexible line allowed me to re-install the clutch assembly without disconnecting anything and letting air back in the system.

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Even better news!!

It mostly works! I have 6 gears, plus reverse! And a dire need for a tune and a wheel alignment though.

The double roller chain almost sounds like a gear driven set too and combined with the exhaust note... And the turbo and BOV works: PSSSHT!

I did find a small exhaust leak on one of my headers though, the wastegate leaks coolant at one of the fittings, a minor brake line leak, and a drip of oil every 10 minutes coming from the oil pan gasket...

So the bad part of the clutch is that it's almost to the floor to get to the friction zone. I would have expected it to be about 50% of the travel. I think there's some air in the lines yet, going to find a steep hill to park on...

Turns out that the MC I have doesn't self bleed very well. I had to put the MC higher than the slave, and the reservoir above the MC, and slowly pump it to get air out. The quick disconnect is spring loaded so the pre-bleeding held, and the flexible line allowed me to re-install the clutch assembly without disconnecting anything and letting air back in the system.


Considering all the engineering you've had to do that hasn't ever been done before, I'm shocked you don't have more problems. You did better that the vast majority of professionals doing the same thing. I know you've got to be "one happy camper"! You should be proud of yourself! Great job! - BC

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:banana: at least it's finally rolling under it's own power though!! Sounds like these will be simple fixes, and then we can see what it will do on a dyno. What kind of numbers are you expecting from it once it's tuned?

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Excellent!

Sorry, I ended up not being able to drive down over the weekend. We had some important visitors that showed up this morning that I had to be here for. The boss let me know this on Saturday...about 2 hours before I was about to leave. :evil:

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What kind of numbers are you expecting from it once it's tuned?


There's a lot to do yet... But I figure that I should be at 330-340 at the wheel with 7psi on the turbo.

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