Seriously...I hate the English language.

I need help understanding the correct procedure.

This website has the Saab manual for checking the transmission fluid level.
http://saabworld.net/f69/saab-9-3-autom ... ust-24605/
I'm the six speed automatic part.

After reading it over and over, here's what I think I've understood.

If transmission fluid temperature is between 30-45* c, the small plug is removed and fluid is drained u til it stops running out, then level is.correct.

If fluid does not run out then it needs to be topped up which is in the next section titled "topping up". Then repeat the procedure until fluid stops running out.

If you check it when fluid is at 70-80*c which is essentially operating temperature, you use the procedure for the 30-45* temperature. Then add .4L

Is that correct?

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That's how its done on the 6L80, except our temperature range is 30-50C. I still add 0.5L though.

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Jerry /// Past: 95 SSEi (June 2010 COTM) -- 04 GXP (July 2011 COTM)
91 Honda Civic Wagon DX 2WD (fuelly) -- 208,000km -- 92hp -- Autocross Warrior
09 Lexus LS460 AWD -- 94,000km -- Daily Driver
09 White Hot G8 GT -- 155,000km (fuelly) -- LS3 Cam -- GM LS3 CNC Ported Heads -- Kooks 1 3/4" Long Tube Headers -- Solo Catback Midsection -- Hooker Maxflow Mufflers -- Pat G Tune -- Rotofab Intake -- Tein S-Tech Springs -- GXP FE3 Dampers -- BMR Subframe Cradle Inserts -- BMR Subframe Connectors -- Forgestar F14 Gold 18x9 +40 -- Michelin Pilot Super Sport 245/45/18 -- Maverick Man Carbon Fiber Spoiler

Sounds correct to me.

If I knew what year it was.., I could post the gm procedure

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Obviously I don't have a tech 2 so I would need to do the 70-80* procedure since that's easiest.

Boosts, its an 07 by the way. That is the GM procedure, and I also have a paper copy directly from a Saab Wis which matches the procedure the same.

I think it may be. 4L low since today I've finally understood it. Why couldn't they use more simple language

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WTF is wrong with a *dang* dipstick....

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Ryan

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At least they allow you to check it not running...

Anyway, yes I am reading it the same way. Problem is, without a T2 or other similar device, knowing when it's 30*C to 45*C.

I think the key is though, before you pull that dipstick plug, it says to cycle the transmission from P to D, stopping at least 2 seconds in each gear, then from D to P the same way. This allows it to pump fluid through the valve body is my gut feeling. If you don't do that, you may get some that pours out (since it hasn't been pumped through the trans), then you wait for it to stop dripping as prescribed, you may actually end up being short on fluid.

Then if you do it at operating temp, compensate with an additional .4L

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Many manufacturer's are coming to the realization that if it ain't leaking, it's usually full since transmissions don't get hot enough to burn most of todays transmission fluid (unless something is catastrophically wrong, which my guess is, one would already know), so why waste valuable space which is eaten up with all these high feature content engines for something 99% of the automotive population never checks in the first place.

I don't agree with it, but...

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Retired Bonneville Owner and former GM Tech:
2004 Pontiac Bonneville GXP: Black/Ebony *SOLD*

Summer Toys: Combined 827 RWHP / 877lb/ft RWTQ
2004 Pontiac GTO: Impulse Blue Metallic/Black/M6: lots 'o mods, 415 RWHP / 405lb/ft RWTQ!
2006 Cadillac STS-V: Light Platinum Metallic/Light Gray/A6 - Spectre CAI, Magnaflow exhaust, Speed Inc. tune, 412 RWHP / 472lb/ft RWTQ

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2015 Chrysler Town & Country Limited Platinum: Kids new RGC
2007 Chrysler Town & Country Limited: Sold to neighbor
2009 Pontiac G8 GT: L76, Sport Red Metallic
2003 Chevrolet Suburban 2500: Doeskin Tan - 8.1L Big Block... new plow truck
1999 Chevrolet Suburban: Sunset Gold Metallic - Daddy's winter beater and plow truck

Right which is why I'm planning on doing it at operating temperature.

If I did the PRND shift, how much of a time frame do I have before I have to do it again since it is just me.

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And because I failed the metric system back in school, I went and looked up the fahrenheit conversion;

30* - 45* C = 86* - 113* F
70* - 80* C = 158* - 176* F

Considering it says to run the P to D, and D to P twice, then get under it, I would say you have a couple minutes seeing as though it says "raise the car" after doing that cycling.

If you have the car up on blocks or something, you could aready be that far ahead. Just be sure you have the car safely chocked, parking brake on, etc...

If it were in the shop, I'd do this on a 4-post lift, probably have the car already up in the air, and climb up a ladder into the car, cycle it, then hop down the ladder, saving the "raise the car", step.

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Retired Bonneville Owner and former GM Tech:
2004 Pontiac Bonneville GXP: Black/Ebony *SOLD*

Summer Toys: Combined 827 RWHP / 877lb/ft RWTQ
2004 Pontiac GTO: Impulse Blue Metallic/Black/M6: lots 'o mods, 415 RWHP / 405lb/ft RWTQ!
2006 Cadillac STS-V: Light Platinum Metallic/Light Gray/A6 - Spectre CAI, Magnaflow exhaust, Speed Inc. tune, 412 RWHP / 472lb/ft RWTQ

Daily Drivers:
2019 Chrysler Pacifica Limited: Mommy's new RGC
2015 Chrysler Town & Country Limited Platinum: Kids new RGC
2007 Chrysler Town & Country Limited: Sold to neighbor
2009 Pontiac G8 GT: L76, Sport Red Metallic
2003 Chevrolet Suburban 2500: Doeskin Tan - 8.1L Big Block... new plow truck
1999 Chevrolet Suburban: Sunset Gold Metallic - Daddy's winter beater and plow truck

Thankfully the car is just high enough and the dipstick plug is close enough that I don't have to raise it. I can just lay down and reach it

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That'll also save you from taking a shower in it, because it never "drips" like they say. Usually it's a gusher.

Anyway, I would say you safely have 2 - 3 minutes after that cycling. You figure a lift alone takes 30 - 45 seconds to lift a car, then get your "receptacle" then get the plug loose, etc...

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Retired Bonneville Owner and former GM Tech:
2004 Pontiac Bonneville GXP: Black/Ebony *SOLD*

Summer Toys: Combined 827 RWHP / 877lb/ft RWTQ
2004 Pontiac GTO: Impulse Blue Metallic/Black/M6: lots 'o mods, 415 RWHP / 405lb/ft RWTQ!
2006 Cadillac STS-V: Light Platinum Metallic/Light Gray/A6 - Spectre CAI, Magnaflow exhaust, Speed Inc. tune, 412 RWHP / 472lb/ft RWTQ

Daily Drivers:
2019 Chrysler Pacifica Limited: Mommy's new RGC
2015 Chrysler Town & Country Limited Platinum: Kids new RGC
2007 Chrysler Town & Country Limited: Sold to neighbor
2009 Pontiac G8 GT: L76, Sport Red Metallic
2003 Chevrolet Suburban 2500: Doeskin Tan - 8.1L Big Block... new plow truck
1999 Chevrolet Suburban: Sunset Gold Metallic - Daddy's winter beater and plow truck

G8 has a trans temp readout in Engineering Mode, thankfully. Unfortnately, we cannot check without the car running, and the plug is in a location you can't reach without getting the car in the air. Win/lose.

An OBD2 Bluetooth doohickey and a paid version of the Torque App (Pro) will give you GM trans temp.

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Jerry /// Past: 95 SSEi (June 2010 COTM) -- 04 GXP (July 2011 COTM)
91 Honda Civic Wagon DX 2WD (fuelly) -- 208,000km -- 92hp -- Autocross Warrior
09 Lexus LS460 AWD -- 94,000km -- Daily Driver
09 White Hot G8 GT -- 155,000km (fuelly) -- LS3 Cam -- GM LS3 CNC Ported Heads -- Kooks 1 3/4" Long Tube Headers -- Solo Catback Midsection -- Hooker Maxflow Mufflers -- Pat G Tune -- Rotofab Intake -- Tein S-Tech Springs -- GXP FE3 Dampers -- BMR Subframe Cradle Inserts -- BMR Subframe Connectors -- Forgestar F14 Gold 18x9 +40 -- Michelin Pilot Super Sport 245/45/18 -- Maverick Man Carbon Fiber Spoiler

Took Peter for a good drive around town to get tranny fluid properly warmed up. Parked in garage and cycled through the gears twice then let the fluid drain (aka gush out) then added .4L

Lets see if that works

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Yea, they need to re-write that comment. I have yet to see any 6L80 that doesn't pour out like a waterfall...

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Retired Bonneville Owner and former GM Tech:
2004 Pontiac Bonneville GXP: Black/Ebony *SOLD*

Summer Toys: Combined 827 RWHP / 877lb/ft RWTQ
2004 Pontiac GTO: Impulse Blue Metallic/Black/M6: lots 'o mods, 415 RWHP / 405lb/ft RWTQ!
2006 Cadillac STS-V: Light Platinum Metallic/Light Gray/A6 - Spectre CAI, Magnaflow exhaust, Speed Inc. tune, 412 RWHP / 472lb/ft RWTQ

Daily Drivers:
2019 Chrysler Pacifica Limited: Mommy's new RGC
2015 Chrysler Town & Country Limited Platinum: Kids new RGC
2007 Chrysler Town & Country Limited: Sold to neighbor
2009 Pontiac G8 GT: L76, Sport Red Metallic
2003 Chevrolet Suburban 2500: Doeskin Tan - 8.1L Big Block... new plow truck
1999 Chevrolet Suburban: Sunset Gold Metallic - Daddy's winter beater and plow truck

Tranny is working so much better. I originally put in ford fluid because research yield that it was identical to Saab fluid for a fraction of the price. After doing so the tranny was becoming sluggish as if it couldn't grip the clutches.

Changed it out to Saab fluid and massive difference. I saved some fluid that was a mix of ford and Saab. They actually separated, the ford fluid is distinctly on top of the Saab fluid indicating a lower viscosity.

Moral of story, go with OEM fluid every time.

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YES!!!

They're the ones with PhD's and such that designed it, don't try to outsmart them...

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Retired Bonneville Owner and former GM Tech:
2004 Pontiac Bonneville GXP: Black/Ebony *SOLD*

Summer Toys: Combined 827 RWHP / 877lb/ft RWTQ
2004 Pontiac GTO: Impulse Blue Metallic/Black/M6: lots 'o mods, 415 RWHP / 405lb/ft RWTQ!
2006 Cadillac STS-V: Light Platinum Metallic/Light Gray/A6 - Spectre CAI, Magnaflow exhaust, Speed Inc. tune, 412 RWHP / 472lb/ft RWTQ

Daily Drivers:
2019 Chrysler Pacifica Limited: Mommy's new RGC
2015 Chrysler Town & Country Limited Platinum: Kids new RGC
2007 Chrysler Town & Country Limited: Sold to neighbor
2009 Pontiac G8 GT: L76, Sport Red Metallic
2003 Chevrolet Suburban 2500: Doeskin Tan - 8.1L Big Block... new plow truck
1999 Chevrolet Suburban: Sunset Gold Metallic - Daddy's winter beater and plow truck

I know I know.

Will still need to do maybe one or two more changes since there probably is still some in there that needs to be taken out.

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How many miles are on it? If low enough, you may be ok to do a powerflush that will evacuate ALL trans fluid.

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Retired Bonneville Owner and former GM Tech:
2004 Pontiac Bonneville GXP: Black/Ebony *SOLD*

Summer Toys: Combined 827 RWHP / 877lb/ft RWTQ
2004 Pontiac GTO: Impulse Blue Metallic/Black/M6: lots 'o mods, 415 RWHP / 405lb/ft RWTQ!
2006 Cadillac STS-V: Light Platinum Metallic/Light Gray/A6 - Spectre CAI, Magnaflow exhaust, Speed Inc. tune, 412 RWHP / 472lb/ft RWTQ

Daily Drivers:
2019 Chrysler Pacifica Limited: Mommy's new RGC
2015 Chrysler Town & Country Limited Platinum: Kids new RGC
2007 Chrysler Town & Country Limited: Sold to neighbor
2009 Pontiac G8 GT: L76, Sport Red Metallic
2003 Chevrolet Suburban 2500: Doeskin Tan - 8.1L Big Block... new plow truck
1999 Chevrolet Suburban: Sunset Gold Metallic - Daddy's winter beater and plow truck

Its only 55k but I'm doing fluid changes every six months now that I'm tuned with 150+ lbs ft increase in torque. Got to keep the tranny healthy.

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YES!

At that mileage, and with those new change intervals, I would say you're ok to do the power flushing. THe issue I have is people with 80k, 90k, 100k+ transmissions that have never been maintained or changed doing it.

usually anything less than 75k, and has seen at least one fluid change in it's lifetime is ok.

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Retired Bonneville Owner and former GM Tech:
2004 Pontiac Bonneville GXP: Black/Ebony *SOLD*

Summer Toys: Combined 827 RWHP / 877lb/ft RWTQ
2004 Pontiac GTO: Impulse Blue Metallic/Black/M6: lots 'o mods, 415 RWHP / 405lb/ft RWTQ!
2006 Cadillac STS-V: Light Platinum Metallic/Light Gray/A6 - Spectre CAI, Magnaflow exhaust, Speed Inc. tune, 412 RWHP / 472lb/ft RWTQ

Daily Drivers:
2019 Chrysler Pacifica Limited: Mommy's new RGC
2015 Chrysler Town & Country Limited Platinum: Kids new RGC
2007 Chrysler Town & Country Limited: Sold to neighbor
2009 Pontiac G8 GT: L76, Sport Red Metallic
2003 Chevrolet Suburban 2500: Doeskin Tan - 8.1L Big Block... new plow truck
1999 Chevrolet Suburban: Sunset Gold Metallic - Daddy's winter beater and plow truck