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 Post subject: Re: Project Montana?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:30 pm 
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My only concern would be heat management. It'll get mighty toasty under that hood, so I'd program the fans to come on early and stay running for a few minutes after shutdown.


It would be tuned by Speed Inc., so all that stuff would be covered.

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 Post subject: Re: Project Montana?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:32 pm 
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You guys ARE NOT helping talk me out of this...


What!!! we are doing everything we can to talk you out of this... Do this, its a costly waste of time Er I mean so worth it


We only have one problem tho... The Angel and the Devil are in agreement and want a 3800 Van with a Blower...lol


That van was meant to have a 3800, those vans were stripped of their heritage when GM produced the last freak 95 Trans Sport with the 9.0 : 1 compression, roller fulcrum rocker, series II crank L27 beast... In 96 all the vans came equipped with a rainbow motor... lol That same rainbow motor ran through part of the 05 series.. The other got the slightly larger 3500 rainbow... and thats not a pot of gold back there... lol


Oh and like Brad said....

COMP G Montana..... :beerchug:


Yea, uh-huh!!! ;)

I do agree though, these were meant for the 3800. Why they went ot the 60* motor astonishes me. Most likely CAFE B.S.

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2004 Pontiac GTO: Impulse Blue Metallic/Black/M6: lots 'o mods, 415 RWHP / 405lb/ft RWTQ!
2006 Cadillac STS-V: Light Platinum Metallic/Light Gray/A6 - Spectre CAI, Magnaflow exhaust, Speed Inc. tune, 412 RWHP / 472lb/ft RWTQ

Daily Drivers:
2015 Chrysler Town & Country Limited Platinum: Mommy's NEW RGC
2007 Chrysler Town & Country Limited: Daddy's beater affectionately called the Rolling Garbage Can or "RGC" for short
2009 Pontiac G8 GT: L76, Sport Red Metallic
2009 Chevrolet Impala SS: LS4 V8, Victory Red
1999 Chevrolet Suburban: Sunset Gold Metallic - Daddy's winter beater and plow truck


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 Post subject: Re: Project Montana?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:00 pm 
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I still vote for a low boost, 4.2L stroker. Keep it "not super wild" with the mods, more manageable. This is were cubes come into play, cause we all know "There's no replacement for displacement".

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 Post subject: Re: Project Montana?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:03 pm 
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I'm thinking give it the full Sith treatment...all black, with carbon grey accents. Tint the windows. Crossflow muffler, stainless rectangle tips. Lowered 1", with GXP rims.

And GM Performance Division badges :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Project Montana?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:11 am 
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Don't forget to add a roof rack, and 16" wheels. And a trailer hitch.

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 Post subject: Re: Project Montana?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:31 am 
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With all that torque and 3.29 gears it better have a class 3 hitch...

I wish my 95 U Body Trans Sport had all the tricks and toys that the later W variant could use... Finding upgraded parts for my Van has been tuff.. Its too bad when they thought that van up the largest FWD platform they had was the A Body... If they had used the H platform I think it would have been better handling, with quite a few more mods to be had along with a lower stance..

But, I have done small things to the suspension... Getting much more than a 225 60 R16 on my van is tuff... I had 235's on it but hated the wheel spacers and body to tire rub... Van was meant for a 205 70 R15...

I have had a hard time finding a larger front sway bar, all of the vans had a 26mm front bar, However in my research I found that Addco has a 29mm heat treated front bar for a buick/pontiac A body.. I know 3mm doesn't seem like much but with newer technology and 3mm more for thickness I know this will make for a more rigid sway bar.. The current front bar has energy suspension bar to lower control arm bushings... I already added an addco 1" rear sway bar, Poly busing at all points for the bar..

The rear rides on Cargo Coils( stiffer than stock ), same ride height as stock... Monroe Max Air shocks as the van has Level Ride... The front is about to wear Monroe reflex struts and AC Delco variable rate springs( stiffer than stock ).. Oddly enough all of the U bodies produced used a Tight Ratio Rack, I believe its 2.7 turns lock to lock as opposed to the FE1 3.1 lock to lock iirc... So all of the 90-96 U bodies had a sport rack from the word go...

The Brakes on it are a GM parts bin assortment as well... I have always been shocked at how well it can stop, good clamps for a basic Mommy van... But I have always used the HD Pads and the like, I hate fade...

The exhaust for me has been a tuff one, nothing really fits it.. I need to at the very least be 2.5" from front to back, or I could do 3" to the converter and drop to 2.5 at that point..

This van for the longest has been such an ongoing venture and just when I start to hate it, I start to love it again...lol

I would have been far better off had I started with a 97-02 Montana, would have been a far more ideal situation..


If you do this and Mod that van I would look forward to seeing that...lol


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 Post subject: Re: Project Montana?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:13 am 
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Thanks. Your info is why I posted this. :)

I actually planned on doing Bonneville GXP 18's, and possibly some brake kit. I hadn't even thought about the suspension yet. Hadn't even thought of a hitch on it either. Really don't need it though as the former oil burner has one.

Anyway, nothing has been said. Admittedly, I didn't get home from work until almost 11 last night, so everyone was asleep, then I was out before everyone this morning.

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2006 Cadillac STS-V: Light Platinum Metallic/Light Gray/A6 - Spectre CAI, Magnaflow exhaust, Speed Inc. tune, 412 RWHP / 472lb/ft RWTQ

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2015 Chrysler Town & Country Limited Platinum: Mommy's NEW RGC
2007 Chrysler Town & Country Limited: Daddy's beater affectionately called the Rolling Garbage Can or "RGC" for short
2009 Pontiac G8 GT: L76, Sport Red Metallic
2009 Chevrolet Impala SS: LS4 V8, Victory Red
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 Post subject: Re: Project Montana?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:47 am 
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Needs a hitch and a cheap wal-mart bike on it at all times. Adds to the sleeper vibe. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Project Montana?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:30 pm 
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Looks like it wasn't meant to be. They want the tax deduction so I think they're going to donate it. When I looked up it's values over the weekend, a running version, in rough condition (as theirs is), was average worth $1,700. Someone needing to at least fix the stock engine is going to have to pay about that to fix it alone. So I pretty much told her it's worth nothing.

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Summer Toys: Combined 827 RWHP / 877lb/ft RWTQ
2004 Pontiac GTO: Impulse Blue Metallic/Black/M6: lots 'o mods, 415 RWHP / 405lb/ft RWTQ!
2006 Cadillac STS-V: Light Platinum Metallic/Light Gray/A6 - Spectre CAI, Magnaflow exhaust, Speed Inc. tune, 412 RWHP / 472lb/ft RWTQ

Daily Drivers:
2015 Chrysler Town & Country Limited Platinum: Mommy's NEW RGC
2007 Chrysler Town & Country Limited: Daddy's beater affectionately called the Rolling Garbage Can or "RGC" for short
2009 Pontiac G8 GT: L76, Sport Red Metallic
2009 Chevrolet Impala SS: LS4 V8, Victory Red
1999 Chevrolet Suburban: Sunset Gold Metallic - Daddy's winter beater and plow truck


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 Post subject: Re: Project Montana?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:57 pm 
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Thats a shame... But you never know what could come along....lol


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 Post subject: Re: Project Montana?
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Truth be told, I'd really, REALLY like to get started on my '66 Catalina. Just not enough $$$ to get it going...

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2004 Pontiac Bonneville GXP: Black/Ebony *SOLD*

Summer Toys: Combined 827 RWHP / 877lb/ft RWTQ
2004 Pontiac GTO: Impulse Blue Metallic/Black/M6: lots 'o mods, 415 RWHP / 405lb/ft RWTQ!
2006 Cadillac STS-V: Light Platinum Metallic/Light Gray/A6 - Spectre CAI, Magnaflow exhaust, Speed Inc. tune, 412 RWHP / 472lb/ft RWTQ

Daily Drivers:
2015 Chrysler Town & Country Limited Platinum: Mommy's NEW RGC
2007 Chrysler Town & Country Limited: Daddy's beater affectionately called the Rolling Garbage Can or "RGC" for short
2009 Pontiac G8 GT: L76, Sport Red Metallic
2009 Chevrolet Impala SS: LS4 V8, Victory Red
1999 Chevrolet Suburban: Sunset Gold Metallic - Daddy's winter beater and plow truck


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 Post subject: Re: Project Montana?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:11 am 
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Thought this was appropriate for this thread. Although a bit late...
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Hey Don... ;D

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 Post subject: Re: Project Montana?
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Now THAT I would be all over. :)

When I got home last night, it was gone. The wrecker came and got it during the day.

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Summer Toys: Combined 827 RWHP / 877lb/ft RWTQ
2004 Pontiac GTO: Impulse Blue Metallic/Black/M6: lots 'o mods, 415 RWHP / 405lb/ft RWTQ!
2006 Cadillac STS-V: Light Platinum Metallic/Light Gray/A6 - Spectre CAI, Magnaflow exhaust, Speed Inc. tune, 412 RWHP / 472lb/ft RWTQ

Daily Drivers:
2015 Chrysler Town & Country Limited Platinum: Mommy's NEW RGC
2007 Chrysler Town & Country Limited: Daddy's beater affectionately called the Rolling Garbage Can or "RGC" for short
2009 Pontiac G8 GT: L76, Sport Red Metallic
2009 Chevrolet Impala SS: LS4 V8, Victory Red
1999 Chevrolet Suburban: Sunset Gold Metallic - Daddy's winter beater and plow truck


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 Post subject: Re: Project Montana?
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