It doesn't fit, and it wont be as quick... So why?

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Jason Z - Exposed Autos

2001 BMW 330i - Titanium Silver - Sport Package - 3 Pedals - Koni Yellow/H&R Sport
2006 Volkswagen GTI - (gone) Tornado Red - DSG, Stage II~280hp/325tq
1993 Pontiac Bonneville - (gone) Purple Pearl H4U/SLE. Loud

Any swap would probably be a pain, but the Gen 3 LSx's should be fairly inexpensive and available.

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2009 G8 GT - White Hot


FMS Custom Cam, Yank 3600 SS, 1LE (ZL1) 3.91, SLP Longtubes, Magnaflow cat-back, Rotofab CAI, tuned via HPTuners
415/391

Just signed the title, gonna get it washed and take pics tomorrow!! And rip the door panel off and try to see whats up with the driver window not going down properly.

Im happy!

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awakening an old thread in demand of PICS!!!

what i wouldn't do to get my old '94 maro back. they make great DD's, but exhaust will make you like it even more

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call me Steve...

HAI, full 2.5" exhaust, resonator delete, Pioneer Audio, F17 transaxle, Toyo Versado LX 215/70/15's

Polo Green Metallic

V8 swap: Can be done, the V6 and V8 chassis are the same, though it requires a bunch of parts: Engine (of course), Crossmember, motor mounts, steering rack, radiator, PCM, instrument cluster, transmission, throttle and cruise control cables, intake ductwork, exhaust Y-pipe, and possibly the drive shaft if you have the split one with a center bearing support on the torque arm. That will result in an ersatz Z28.

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Bye Bye 1990 Bonneville LE... Now it belongs to my daughter
In the Garage: 2009 Subaru Outback, 1987 Camaro, 2006 SV650S, 1995 Regal 182 "ASANAGI", 1962 Ford Galaxie 500, 1995 Ford F150 XL 4WD, 1953 Farmall Cub

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IIRC, a neighbor of mine was talking about this right after he picked up a firebird, you will be cutting into the firewall and possibly the windshield as well to fit an M90 in there. Or possibly lower the engine, don't know how much of a viable option that would be though. Either way, much more time & money would be involved for a not-as-rewarding-as-it-could-be result.

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'93 SSE "Guinevere" RIP 1993 - 2019
'01 SSEi "Chloe" Mods: Intense FWI | GenV | WBS Intercooled | 3.2 MPS | 1.9 YT Rockers | SSAC Headers | N* TB | TEP Trans | 3.29 FDR | Torsen LSD
DTM Tuned | Dual AeroForce | Solid Mounts | 255 Walbro Pump | Fuel Logs | GXP STB & Sway Bars | CSS Lowering Springs | GXP Brakes | Disabled DRL
Magnaflow Mufflers | Magnaflow Cat | GXP Seats & Trim | 35 % Tint | Cleared & Tinted Tails | repinS Retrofited Morimoto Mini H1 | 19" GT500 Wheels
'09 G8 GT "Abigail" Mods: Rotofab | LS3 Heads, Intake & Cam | Kooks LT | Solo Exhaust | Tien Springs w/ GXP Struts | Whiteline Swaybars | BMR Subframe Connectors
Achievements: Guinevere - 264k mi | 16.27 @ 84.10mph | March '11 COTM :: Chloe - 223k mi | 13.85 @ 102mph | January '09 COTM :: Abigail - 192k mi | 12.85 @ 112mph

OK OK Ill get pics this weekend....sheesh, yes sorry let this thread drop.

Not as many flakes in it and its not as dark as the Bonne. Maybe Sun fade.

Plans for FAR-future are V8 swap(I know whats all needed to be done). Unless I can partial trade for fullsize 4x4. (I miss my trucks)

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There is a local member of the MFBA who has a either a supercharged or turbocharged V6 'Maro. Although, I want to say it's a Pro-Charged S/C, not a L67 blower mounted onto the engine. I think she runs high 12's last I read. But it wasn't just something she did with a few hours on a Saturday with a spare blower laying around. It was a project.

Also, I saw mentioned above about swapping in a T56 to the V6, 1) I don't believe the Bellhousing has the same bolt pattern between LSx V8 & V6, and 2) You'd have to get a revised mount.

If you were to do a T56 swap, you may have to look at an LTx version bellhousing to see how that compares bolt pattern'wise. If that's the case, it isn't a Tremec trans, it's a Borg-Warner. Tremec took over T56's from around 2000 or 2001 if mammory serves me right. Also, the clutching mechanism's between the LTx and LSx cars are different.

Cheapest way, find a donor V8 F-Body, swap all hardware. Engine, trans, harness, etc...

Second cheapest way, find a donor GTO, swap the engine/trans/harness, change oil sump and oil pan, find F-Body driveshaft, torque arm, etc.

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Retired Bonneville Owner and former GM Tech:
2004 Pontiac Bonneville GXP: Black/Ebony *SOLD*

Summer Toys: Combined 827 RWHP / 877lb/ft RWTQ
2004 Pontiac GTO: Impulse Blue Metallic/Black/M6: lots 'o mods, 415 RWHP / 405lb/ft RWTQ!
2006 Cadillac STS-V: Light Platinum Metallic/Light Gray/A6 - Spectre CAI, Magnaflow exhaust, Speed Inc. tune, 412 RWHP / 472lb/ft RWTQ

Daily Drivers:
2019 Chrysler Pacifica Limited: Mommy's new RGC
2015 Chrysler Town & Country Limited Platinum: Kids new RGC
2007 Chrysler Town & Country Limited: Sold to neighbor
2009 Pontiac G8 GT: L76, Sport Red Metallic
2003 Chevrolet Suburban 2500: Doeskin Tan - 8.1L Big Block... new plow truck
1999 Chevrolet Suburban: Sunset Gold Metallic - Daddy's winter beater and plow truck

From what I understand, the 90° V6's (3800) and the V8's shared a common bellhousing pattern. Could've changed with the Series I/II/III though.

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Bye Bye:

RIP sandrock

That's not quite true... the Chevy V8 motors have a bell housing pattern that is common within the family, and that family includes the LS and LT1. Only the Chevy 90 degree V6 (4.3L) shares this pattern (by virtue of being a derivative of the Small Block Chevy V8.) The Buick 3800 motor uses the FWD pattern even in a RWD car. That's how I got away with using the block from an F-Body 3800 to built an L67...it's the same block with the correct bell housing pattern to mate to FWD transaxles.

On an 4th gen F-Body, you match up the transmission with the appropriate housing to fit the motor. T56 is pretty straight forward on a V8 because they were made that way from the factory...the stock LT1 manual transmission is the T56. The stock manual transmission for the 3.4L and 3800 motor was a T5 with a FWD style bell housing. Using a T56 behind a 3800 becomes a real challenge because you don't have an off the shelf bell housing to join the engine and transmission together. (Flange on the front of the T56 is also unique...so no joy trying to use a T5 bell housing.)

The hydraulic clutch isn't much of an issue compared to the bell housing. On a T56 it's on the transmission side with the pushrod toward the front of the car. On a T5, it's the other way around. I know a fellow who T56'd his 3rd gen V8 without much issue...just a matter of splicing the 4th gen parts where the 3rd gen stuff wouldn't fit. (i.e t56 clutch master and slave cylinders used in place of the T5 parts.)

One other issue that raises it's ugly head on a T56 usage is the annoying CAGS function. T5's don't have this "feature". So if you end up using a manual v8 programmed PCM to operate the car, it expects to see the CAGS circuitry or it will throw an error. (I.E...mating any manual transmission other than a T56 on a 4th gen v8 needs to have CAGS removed.) If you manage to mate a T56 behind a 3800 through a custom bell housing, the CAGS solenoids built into the transmission can be ignored...the PCM isn't looking for them and they do nothing if not provided power.

In a nutshell...if the car is a V6 and stays a V6, keep the stock V6 T5 transmission... honest, the F-Body's T5 can be upgraded internally, making it more durable than as GM got them. If you swap with a V8, then the best thing to do is switch to the T56, since the PCM that is running the motor is expecting to see it too, and doesn't understand any other manual transmission except the T56.

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Bye Bye 1990 Bonneville LE... Now it belongs to my daughter
In the Garage: 2009 Subaru Outback, 1987 Camaro, 2006 SV650S, 1995 Regal 182 "ASANAGI", 1962 Ford Galaxie 500, 1995 Ford F150 XL 4WD, 1953 Farmall Cub

Here's my fresh T56 for pictures to help describe the above poster.







Here is the bellhousing on a T56, already bolted to the block on my LS1;


What yuo can see, is that in the very top of the pic, that is the uppermost point where it bolts to the block. Then sorta cascades down each side in a triangular format. No FWD bellhousing is like this, just like clm posted above.

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Retired Bonneville Owner and former GM Tech:
2004 Pontiac Bonneville GXP: Black/Ebony *SOLD*

Summer Toys: Combined 827 RWHP / 877lb/ft RWTQ
2004 Pontiac GTO: Impulse Blue Metallic/Black/M6: lots 'o mods, 415 RWHP / 405lb/ft RWTQ!
2006 Cadillac STS-V: Light Platinum Metallic/Light Gray/A6 - Spectre CAI, Magnaflow exhaust, Speed Inc. tune, 412 RWHP / 472lb/ft RWTQ

Daily Drivers:
2019 Chrysler Pacifica Limited: Mommy's new RGC
2015 Chrysler Town & Country Limited Platinum: Kids new RGC
2007 Chrysler Town & Country Limited: Sold to neighbor
2009 Pontiac G8 GT: L76, Sport Red Metallic
2003 Chevrolet Suburban 2500: Doeskin Tan - 8.1L Big Block... new plow truck
1999 Chevrolet Suburban: Sunset Gold Metallic - Daddy's winter beater and plow truck

screw a V8 swap. Turbo that biiyatch

But I could turbo a V8

OK gonna see what I can do about a wash today, been raining.

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Why add overt complication and unneccessary "stuff" to an engine compartment that's already difficult to work in, to obtain the same results as the simpler and probably cheaper option... an 8 holer.

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Retired Bonneville Owner and former GM Tech:
2004 Pontiac Bonneville GXP: Black/Ebony *SOLD*

Summer Toys: Combined 827 RWHP / 877lb/ft RWTQ
2004 Pontiac GTO: Impulse Blue Metallic/Black/M6: lots 'o mods, 415 RWHP / 405lb/ft RWTQ!
2006 Cadillac STS-V: Light Platinum Metallic/Light Gray/A6 - Spectre CAI, Magnaflow exhaust, Speed Inc. tune, 412 RWHP / 472lb/ft RWTQ

Daily Drivers:
2019 Chrysler Pacifica Limited: Mommy's new RGC
2015 Chrysler Town & Country Limited Platinum: Kids new RGC
2007 Chrysler Town & Country Limited: Sold to neighbor
2009 Pontiac G8 GT: L76, Sport Red Metallic
2003 Chevrolet Suburban 2500: Doeskin Tan - 8.1L Big Block... new plow truck
1999 Chevrolet Suburban: Sunset Gold Metallic - Daddy's winter beater and plow truck

A GEN III or IV V8 would be much better to swap in in about every way, Easier and can use all OEM parts, more reliable, can add boost later if you really want, etc..

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Jason Z - Exposed Autos

2001 BMW 330i - Titanium Silver - Sport Package - 3 Pedals - Koni Yellow/H&R Sport
2006 Volkswagen GTI - (gone) Tornado Red - DSG, Stage II~280hp/325tq
1993 Pontiac Bonneville - (gone) Purple Pearl H4U/SLE. Loud

Definitely true but everyone has a V8 Camaro. Maybe I'm a bit crazy but I like cars that are not what they seem.

At this point of passing out modification advice, I'll put on the accounting hat and express the sage wisdom of the F-Body crowd....

The easiest and most cost effective way to upgrade a V6 f-body to a V8 is: Sell the V6 car and use the money to buy a V8 one

On a similar vein of thought.. The easiest and most cost effective way to up the output of the v8 motors is to tack a centrifugal supercharger on it. Pick your poison: Vortech, ATI, etc, etc.

Kinda like upgrading our H-Bodies, the price tag of rolling your own usually exceeds the cost of just going out and buying an blower equipped car from the start. (Not as much fun in my humble opinion, but certainly less expensive overall.)

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Bye Bye 1990 Bonneville LE... Now it belongs to my daughter
In the Garage: 2009 Subaru Outback, 1987 Camaro, 2006 SV650S, 1995 Regal 182 "ASANAGI", 1962 Ford Galaxie 500, 1995 Ford F150 XL 4WD, 1953 Farmall Cub

Another plus to swapping in another engine though is that I can swap in an 8cylinder that wasnt available in 97. Like what was said before, a drivetrain from an 04 Goat, etc.

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i am sory i am not in to 4th or the 5th am stil in to time of the third
yes gotta have a V8
in 1988 i went to the int camaro club national east.was a member who whisper in mi ears he had a V6.nower days that normal i think like of a fat V8

Having driven a 97 Z28 for the past decade I can tell you a swap will be very complicated. You can indeed swap in the 6.0 from the Goat, but it will require a relocation bracket for the torque arm, all new wiring, etc, etc, etc. It can be done, but when you add it all up its almost worth just cruisin the V6 until it croaks. Still if you have any other questions about the car let me know, I've got an intimate knowledge of the 97's (especially the LT1). In fact I have the complete GM shop (V8 and V6) if you're interested. If you do actually go ahead with a swap make absolutely sure you take the time to drop the gas tank and cut a hole in the sheet metal above it to add an access panel to the fuel pump for future adjustment and replacement. Fuel pumps are notoriously hard to install as you need to remove the exhaust, torsion bars, heat shields, and then drop the tank. Go online and you can find a myriad of pictures documenting the procedure.

Anyway here is one of the best resources for F-body parts and info on swaps, give Mark a call the guy is a literal walking F-Body encyclopedia.

http://hpsalvage.com/ Check out the "swap tips" section