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Not without a lot of extra customizing of other things. Again, not practical for the budget.
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you have a bunch of people that have experimented with the series 1 quite a bit telling you that this idea is not feasible. on the other hand, you have one guy with stock cars that aren't even series 1's telling you to hack away... who do you listen to?
I have not made any descisions yet. i know what i "want" to do. but what i want and whats pracitical seem to be conflicting a fair bit. anyways for now im just reading and letting the crowd figure out whats best.
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I am looking to swap the SII L67 heads with the injector bosses in the heads (this means that yes, you can put a L67 supercharged top end onto a SI block-with the L67 intake- SI guys can say goodbye to the M62.....HELLO M90!) with a modified factory fuel rail. Along with the L36 NA lower intake manifold (with spacers…) with it’s 6 injector bosses and modified factory fuel rails, so that we can run 12 30lb hr injectors at 50 psi with a boost referenced pressure regulator (Quad 4 injectors-free from J yards….) with the Mega Squirt DIY EFI system controlling them with custom fuel tables for the Mitsubishi TD06-17c-8cm^2 Turbocharger from a 4.3L Cyclone/Typhoon, this Turbocharger is capable of enough flow to support 400Hp which would require ~ 60 lb hr injector per cylinder, it’s much cheaper for us to use two 30 lb hr injectors. The L36 NA lower intake would receive bell mouthing of the intake runners, and we would Fabricate a sheet metal aluminum Upper intake plenum that would have a N* or LS1 TB located on the belt drive side of the engine to allow for better plumbing of the Turbocharger to Intercooler to TB ductwork without any flow robbing bends. There is no big deal with this as our rear engine has crank, WP, alt, and tensioner only and wouldn’t interfere with the TB. Mega Squirt EFI will work with MAF or MAP based EFI setups but I think we will go with a 3 bar MAP sensor and use speed density tables and forgo the LS1 MAF etc and its associated cost, though it’s not out of the question. The SII exhaust manifolds will be used with the rear manifolds normal outlet removed and the crossover pipe that is (now) too short will be cut in half to facilitate the fabrication of the Turbocharger mount/flange.
Besides the benefits of factory SII parts on the SI block you can then use the aftermarket SII performance parts, an IC under a L67 supercharger etc you name it…the possibilities would be endless, at least it’s possible.
Why the hell am I doing this instead of swapping in an L67:
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dirtracr95 wrote:Wow now you guys are really trying to scare him off. You dont need megasquirt or MSD.
I wanna know who has paid $1,000 for a fuel pump? SERIOUSLY You could go fuel cell, AN fuel lines, custom fuel rail, and injectors for $1000 maybe a tad more depending on where you get things.
I said $1000 for fuel PUMPS. If you realistically had a twin charged V6 (even on a 4.2L stroker kit) you'd need serious fueling for 500hp. You would need two walbro 255's to keep fuel pressure usable at WOT. As high strung as this theoretical engine build is, you cannot get away with stock ANYTHING in the fuel system, one hiccup = dead motor.
Who pays $1,000 for a fuel pump? 2.0T VW guys do when they get serious and into a stage 3+ territory. A rebuilt OE HPFP that will do more than OE spec is around $600, a brand new purpose built upgrade part hits 4 figures with additional parts. The injectors on my car require over 100bar redline/wot in STOCK configuration. Thankfully it's gear driven and on the side of the engine, apples to oranges as my car is direct injected, but i'm trying to illustrate my point.
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Mmmmmk then. So two superchargers are a no go. What about cam smaller sc puley and a intercooler as that seems to be the general reccomendation? would it be safe to use a turbo from pick-a-part centre? And would you reccomend doing a Turbo and a sc?
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Sadden wrote:Mmmmmk then. So two superchargers are a no go. What about cam smaller sc puley and a intercooler as that seems to be the general reccomendation? would it be safe to use a turbo from pick-a-part centre? And would you reccomend doing a Turbo and a sc?
Series 2 first. You're listing parts that are only readily available for a Series 2.
Honestly, if you want to drop a bunch of money in a car, sell the 94 and get a 98+ SSEi or GTP or other S2 supercharged car, and go nuts with that.
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If you go turbo you should really know how to Dyno Tune, which will be hell with your PCM. There are ways to tune, test, retune, test, etc but dyno tune will be the best for such a custom setup.
Turbo from the salvage yard will need to be a correct size.
Get a book on turbocharging engines if your serious about it .There's so much potential in turbocharging a 3800, but so many things you have to know what you're doing, or you'll blow it up.
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Sadden wrote:Mmmmmk then. So two superchargers are a no go. What about cam smaller sc puley and a intercooler as that seems to be the general reccomendation? would it be safe to use a turbo from pick-a-part centre? And would you reccomend doing a Turbo and a sc?
Series 2 first. You're listing parts that are only readily available for a Series 2.
Kyle, only the intercooler is not available for the S1 (the only one that is known to exist is on my workbench about a mile from here). The cam and pulley are a possibility. As well as alot of other good work including a full suspension/brake beef-up package, a really good performance trans build, and start working on a turbo setup on the side.
Depends on how set you are on the current car. Things can be done quite well within your budget.
It basically comes down to whether you want a low-end torquer (current car) or more of a high end horsepower motor. Stoplight racer, or freeway passer?
stoplight racer crossed with a highway passer... (highest speed limit is 115 kmh i want to be doing 120 and punch the throttle and be able to pass people easily. i figure thats what the turbo will be for. because it already has plenty of tourque so it pretty quick off the line already)
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No offense or anything a but bonneville wouldnt really be quite the car youd want for what your looking for. Ya having a dream or an idea is always great but sometimes not financially worth the under taking all the time your going to put into it.
If you have a fair amount of money to spend why not just buy a second car and keep it as a "sunday" driver. There are alot of descent older classics out there in the 7k range, that may need a bit of work but its something to learn on.
This is just my .3 cents I have been there and done that, good luck
I want to do a camaro sometime in the future.. for now i wanna do this beastie up..
and the moment that i mention that i already have a blower everybody says that adding a turbo is not possible.
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Turboing a series one seems like it would be a PITA due to the PCM tuning software not being as widely used and available. If you want a camaro keep this car reliable and get an LS1 Camaro. That's going to be my next car but a TA and Orange.