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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:55 pm 
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ok i have an 84 fiero that is my lambo kit base. i have a series 1 sc motor out of a 95 bonneville ssei. now i bought the motor in pieces, totally torn apart so reassembly is a lil hard on me. i have no idea how the front of the motor goes together, belt routing ,pulleys, brackets, ect. so pics will be awsome.. but now for the hard part. the motor has no sensors what so ever, i dont have much of a wire harness. and its going into a car that i stripped out every wire in the whole thing. i need to know for starters if anyone has a parts car bonneville, that will sell me the engine wire harness, ecu, inside dash wire harness, gauges, a/c controls, ignition, the works. everything that is electronic. im gonna use in the fiero. also i need pics of the motor wiring. and a diagram of the inside wiring... this is a bit much to post but. im in a tight bind, and i will pay for parts as well as insight.... thanks guys.


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I suggest posting in WANTED for the parts you need.

For the rest of it, you really need a factory service manual. In the meantime, this topic may help you:
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=10046 (at least with the basic assembly work)

contact harofreak00 via PM about the parts you need. He may have a good inventory. Or Morad Parts Company. They occasionally deal with Series 1 vintage cars.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:01 pm 
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Rather than buy all that stuff piecemeal, what you really need is a parts car. Such a purchase would certainly be easier and cheaper.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:14 pm 
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Where are you located? Here is a good example of what was mentioned: http://portland.craigslist.org/yam/cto/1067018102.html

Wrong year, but they are available.


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A 94 or 95 would be the best. If there are any differences between 94 and 95, I don't know what they are.

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None between those two years. And the harnesses from 92-93 are the same other than the EGR and the extra knock sensor.

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Where are you located at?

As far as your wiring is concerned, how radical do you want to go as far as engine management? No matter how you slice it, there will be some extensive wiring that has to be done...not at all hard to do, but very time consuming.

Some time ago I was able to complete an OBD2 setup to run a Series 1, which when coupled with an HP Tuner, was able to run custom tunes with ease. But the wiring (re-wiring) was very in-depth, and I didn't get a chance to fully test the system since the engine imploded, but it showed much promise. It's an option that is open to you if you have the time and cash for the tuner.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:13 am 
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The wiring is going to be a bear. You can use a donor's wiring harness, but you are going to need to repin the whole shooting match to get it through the Fiero's body. Did you keep the Fiero's wiring harness? You'll need the through body connectors, fuse blocks, etc. to route the donor's harness.

Your best bet is to do as suggested above: Select the year of SC'd motor and get both a donor vehicle's harness and a service manual for same.

You do have a few things working for you. They are both GM products. Even though 10 years seperate a TBI Fiero and a Supercharged Bonneville, a number of circuits and connector are common. You'll just have to add what's missing (and it's a short list.) If you are using the Fiero's gauge cluster and controls, then go find one off a 2M6 or GT model for the correct V6 tach.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:35 pm 
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Year and Trim: series 1 sc 84 fiero based murcielago replica
well i ripped all of the wiring out of the fiero there is nothing left but frame. i want to use ALL the bonnevilles wiring, (everything) gauges included. a donor parts car is what i really need. i will post an add in wanted. but the through body connectors are gone. i can extend the harness all i need, thats not a problem. thanks. and those links were good but anyone got a picture of the superchargers idler and tensioner bracket... also im in knoxville tn.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:17 pm 
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Here are a couple of pics you may like. One is a stock photo the other is my 93.



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well i ripped all of the wiring out of the fiero there is nothing left but frame. i want to use ALL the bonnevilles wiring, (everything) gauges included. a donor parts car is what i really need. i will post an add in wanted. but the through body connectors are gone. i can extend the harness all i need, thats not a problem. thanks. and those links were good but anyone got a picture of the superchargers idler and tensioner bracket... also im in knoxville tn.


You clearly went way to far on your destruction. I couldn't possibly find the patience to scan and post all the circuits you'll need. You need the factory service manual for the year of motor/harness. No question. I suggest nailing one off of ebay. This is going to take alot of work now, whether you get a donor car or not.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:48 pm 
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ok well how about this....... how hard is it to put a series 1 motor into a series 2 car...... also how hard is it to put a series 1 sc motor into a series 1 N/A car. i have plenty of series 1 N/A cars at my disposal and more then enough of you have all the parts i need for a series 2 sc car. so what combination is the easiest for me?


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Edit: comment removed, I miss-read your post as still pertaining to the Fiero.

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Series 1 and Series 2 engines are totally different animals. S1 engines are all about torque in the lowend, S2 engines are all about midrange performance. You can do several things to each to change the output characteristics...cam, PCM, exhaust, etc...but there is no real benefit to fitting an S1 engine to an S2 chassis.

And there is no way you are going to be able to use the gauges from a Bonneville in a Fiero. You are better off using Autometer gauges all the way around.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:30 pm 
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there is no dash no console no interior at all. so the gauges arent a problem but here is the new scoop i have access to a few 98 grand am gt and 99 grand am se cars... does anyone know how hard it is to put the sc engine in these N/A cars... my better question is: is the inside dash harness, gauges, and everything else different in the gtp and gt, se models?....... and the only reason i wanna use the series 1 motor is because i already have it and its now, newly rebiult. i will add the fiero is no longer a fiero. it is a metal tub with an engine cradle.. thats it. no interior no nothing i have room to put hummer gauges and wiring in it if i wanted to. i just need to know what donor car is best for me to use. i like the guages from the grand ams what is the scoop on using it as my donor?


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:29 pm 
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anything on a 3800 into a grand am or monte carlo


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I'm getting lost in all your options. Can you please clarify exactly what you're up to? And be more specific when asking for compatibilities?

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merciero wrote:
anything on a 3800 into a grand am or monte carlo


Well, this is an H-body forum...not a Grand-Am or W-body forum, so you probably won't find much info here on those. I *can* tell you that you would have an easier time fitting the 3800 to the Monte Carlo since it's a W-body and 3800s came in those stock. Minimal modifications necessary on that setup. The Grand Am, on the other hand...not so friendly.

But as Willwren said, you need to narrow your focus and concentrate on one idea. We can help, but you have to be clear on what you want to do, instead of throwing out all these "what-ifs".

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While the 3800 was factory on some W-bodies, the Series 1 was not. We also need a clearer picture of the YEARS of bodies you're asking about.

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