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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:46 pm 
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In this episode of a never-ending car project, I try to start the car to move it to fix aforementioned stuff and...
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Yeah, it wouldn't start. Chased the rabbit down the hole and found this:
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Cam magnet is gone. Explains a lot about the random hard starting issues...

So I grabbed a used one I had on hand, cut the flange off it so I could install it from the front, plastic welded a metal clip to the back using the plastic from the flange:
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And just when you thought I was being a bit less redneck, nah, not really:
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JB welded that sucker in just like everyone else would have done. You'll notice in photo #2 above that I cut a ridge in it to give the JB weld something to grab on to, the clip is to make sure it stays seated while it sets up as well as just extra insurance that it's going to stay in place. I nearly filled the hole in the cam sprocket with the stuff to make sure it would have to squeeze out to get the magnet back in, wanted to make sure I give it a fair shot at having a strong physical/mechanical grip on the magnet as opposed to relying on it sticking to it.

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'92 Olds Trofeo - Fair weather DD
'84 GMC Sierra Classic - Twin turbo 3800
'97 Buick LeSabre - L67 winter DD
'92 Pontiac Bonneville SSE future project

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:34 am 
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The JB weld fix worked, in that it cleared up the code.

But suddenly now I don't have any fuel pressure. Sending unit is new, pump is new, pump turns on as if it were working properly, and gas gauge reads half a tank.

Haven't dug into this yet, but either the fuel pump is junk or the sending unit is junk or something else happened to the gauge that was working just fine before I changed out the rusty sending unit.

The conundrum then is do I put 5 gallons of gas into a tank that potentially is already going to be too heavy to drop?...

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'97 Chevy Camaro - 3800 supercharged, T5, T-tops
'05 Cadillac STS - V8, AWD, her DD
'92 Olds Trofeo - Fair weather DD
'84 GMC Sierra Classic - Twin turbo 3800
'97 Buick LeSabre - L67 winter DD
'92 Pontiac Bonneville SSE future project

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'87 Buick LeSabre T-type - future victim
'67 Buick LeSabre - future victim


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:57 am 
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Pulled the rubber hose from the fuel filler and put my boroscope in the tank yesterday.

So it looks like the sending unit or gauge is bad. For now I'm going to throw some gas in it and move along. I'll measure the resistance of the sensor before and after so I know if the sensor is working or not and go from there.

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'93 Pontiac Bonneville SSEi - Twincharged, manual, and lots more! Build thread
'97 Chevy Camaro - 3800 supercharged, T5, T-tops
'05 Cadillac STS - V8, AWD, her DD
'92 Olds Trofeo - Fair weather DD
'84 GMC Sierra Classic - Twin turbo 3800
'97 Buick LeSabre - L67 winter DD
'92 Pontiac Bonneville SSE future project

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:15 pm 
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Basically all set here finally!

I'll put a used alternator on it until I fix the issue with the one I powdercoated, ignore the failed fuel gauge issue for now, sort out the alignment and plates/insurance, and start driving it in the next few days to hopefully flush out any remaining issues.

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'93 Pontiac Bonneville SSEi - Twincharged, manual, and lots more! Build thread
'97 Chevy Camaro - 3800 supercharged, T5, T-tops
'05 Cadillac STS - V8, AWD, her DD
'92 Olds Trofeo - Fair weather DD
'84 GMC Sierra Classic - Twin turbo 3800
'97 Buick LeSabre - L67 winter DD
'92 Pontiac Bonneville SSE future project

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'67 Buick LeSabre - future victim


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:40 pm 
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Ok... Well, I had some fun with this car. Spoiler alert: Something in the bottom end went after driving it a grand total of 30 minutes.

So after I fixed the issue with the cam magnet, I was still having hard starting. As in, it just wouldn't even start. Cue the boroscope, compression tester, fuel injector tests, etc. Nothing. Check the coils, all good and making hot spark. Checked the new wires for arcing or anything, nada. Checked over the ICM harness, went back and re-traced every wire in the C101 firewall pass-through (hey, I missed the power wire for the trans, so maybe it was something else). Nothing wrong there either. New computer, nope. Pulled the spark plugs, they were wet, confirming that I have fuel but no spark. Cleaned them, reinstalled, nope nope nope... Went over MAS, MAP, TPS, ECT, every sensor on the scanner - everything is working like it should be. Pulled the balancer, put a new crank and cam sensor on it, put it all back again..... yeah, nope.

Took a short break from it (taking classes for my masters, so that eats up some of my time and focus). Came back, and decided to throw a new set of good 'ol cheap AC Delco copper plugs on it. Fires right up! So I'm left scratching my head at trying to figure out why this set of plugs (iridium plugs I'd had in the SSEi that were working fine that I saved when I went turbo) decided to be junk. But whatever, it runs now, so I can finally do something with it!

First day, I let it get up to temp and drive it around, chase some of the suspension creaking, change the front wheels, etc. After it's warmed up the oil pressure drops a bit low, and suddenly it's stalling at idle... Let it cool off, and pressure is back up to 65psi and idles fine. Warmed up, it dropped to 20 and dies at idle. Pull the dipstick to find that the brand new oil is now overfilled by about 1 quart, and it smells like gas. I figured at this point the motor was done for, but I changed the oil anyway. Initial testing revealed solid oil pressure again, running smooth, no issues.

So now that it's running, the oil pressure is good, and it sounds like it's happy, I decided to take it out for a cruise and do some running around, see how it's driving. Found that the trans seems to be working, which is good. It makes great power considering it's just a stock pulley, and I tell you what, the suspension and brakes are better than I'd expected! I was acutally thinking it was good to go after all this time!

About 30 minutes into the drive the oil pressure started dropping again, and of course it started struggling to idle. So I pulled off the road, shut it off, and checked the oil. Between the gas-filled oil change and this one, something gave out inside. The oil had some really really big flakes in it compared to the last time I had a bearing go; and the brand new oil was black already.

So the car got towed home, and I parked it. Until last night anyway.

I started pulling the motor, discovered that the coolant was brown and smelled a lot like either rotten old oil or something else similar. There's a lot of heavy particulates in the cooling system, the bottoms of all the hoses and everything have a thick layer of brown goo. So much for saving the new coolant... I've got all the fluids draining now, going to finish that up tonight and get the motor out. Plan is to hit up the local u-pull for a new bottom end from a series 3 car (NA or SC, doesn't matter anymore) and toss the shortblock in. This was supposed to be my winter car this year, thankfully we've not really had any winter weather yet..

I'll be saving the motor for the moment. I want to see what the failure was. I'm guessing it was a main bearing. I have another L67 block with a good bottom end that had a cam bearing failure. Perhaps between the two I can end up with one solid bottom end?

But hopefully this time it's a simple R&R, and go. Oh, and the interior needs some deep cleaning. The only other thing I want to do is adjust the shift kit, and check to make sure there are no surprises in the pan. If there are, well, at least I have a built up backup unit to toss in. But for some reason, the *shoot* never ends with this car.

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'97 Chevy Camaro - 3800 supercharged, T5, T-tops
'05 Cadillac STS - V8, AWD, her DD
'92 Olds Trofeo - Fair weather DD
'84 GMC Sierra Classic - Twin turbo 3800
'97 Buick LeSabre - L67 winter DD
'92 Pontiac Bonneville SSE future project

Doesn't run:
'87 Buick LeSabre T-type - future victim
'67 Buick LeSabre - future victim


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:46 am 
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And the engine is out! I think I might go ahead and powdercoat a few more things while I have it all apart. Should be the ideal time, the cold means there's like 0% humidity, so aside from been freezing cold out it might actually work?

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'93 Pontiac Bonneville SSEi - Twincharged, manual, and lots more! Build thread
'97 Chevy Camaro - 3800 supercharged, T5, T-tops
'05 Cadillac STS - V8, AWD, her DD
'92 Olds Trofeo - Fair weather DD
'84 GMC Sierra Classic - Twin turbo 3800
'97 Buick LeSabre - L67 winter DD
'92 Pontiac Bonneville SSE future project

Doesn't run:
'87 Buick LeSabre T-type - future victim
'67 Buick LeSabre - future victim


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:00 pm 
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Got the old motor stripped down, figured out it lost a rod bearing, oddly there were no knocking noises at all. So yeah, awesome!

Decided to finish powdercoating engine parts:
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And we're just about ready again again again!
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I should have everything wrapped up tonight, I think, except the flywheel. The NA Camaro flywheel (which is what this new motor is from) is different than the FWD NA flywheel.

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Runs:
'93 Pontiac Bonneville SSEi - Twincharged, manual, and lots more! Build thread
'97 Chevy Camaro - 3800 supercharged, T5, T-tops
'05 Cadillac STS - V8, AWD, her DD
'92 Olds Trofeo - Fair weather DD
'84 GMC Sierra Classic - Twin turbo 3800
'97 Buick LeSabre - L67 winter DD
'92 Pontiac Bonneville SSE future project

Doesn't run:
'87 Buick LeSabre T-type - future victim
'67 Buick LeSabre - future victim


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:13 pm 
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And it's alive again!!!!!

After our recent cold snap, and my intent on using this as the winter vehicle in the future, I ended up putting in a Kat's 11610 block heater in the front core plug location:
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Fancy, L36 flexplate vs. L67 flexplate, (shoutout to Andrew for getting me the flexplate I needed!)
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Everything finally buttoned up and ready to go back in:
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So far, I've taken up and down the road a bit to work out some final little issues. I found that one of the coolant elbows might have a nicked O-ring, so I'll have to replace it. Then I have an issue with the trans and delayed shifting that might be due to a bad TPS. But other than that, it runs, it doesn't overheat, it holds good oil pressure! Once I get those little details fixed, I'll have to do a deep cleaning and get some driving videos. More to come!

That moment when you realize you took a slow, comfortable, floating couch of a vehicle and completely ruined what made it good \:D/
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Runs:
'93 Pontiac Bonneville SSEi - Twincharged, manual, and lots more! Build thread
'97 Chevy Camaro - 3800 supercharged, T5, T-tops
'05 Cadillac STS - V8, AWD, her DD
'92 Olds Trofeo - Fair weather DD
'84 GMC Sierra Classic - Twin turbo 3800
'97 Buick LeSabre - L67 winter DD
'92 Pontiac Bonneville SSE future project

Doesn't run:
'87 Buick LeSabre T-type - future victim
'67 Buick LeSabre - future victim


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:02 pm 
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