It is currently Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:11 am

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 10 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:08 pm 
Offline
SE Member
SE Member

Joined: Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:15 pm
Posts: 14
Year and Trim: 1996 Bonneville SSE
Hey guys just some general questions I’ve got, I’ve got a 96 Bonneville sse no supercharged engine, I love this car because it’s an Ohio car but in MINT condition so it’s not going anywhere but I want to put in a supercharged 3800 series 2 with a bigger cam and stuff but my main concern is the computer, I found 3 engines at the new Youngstown u-pull it, one is from an impala ss another is from a Grand Prix and the last is from a regal. I’m wondering which car is the best candidate computer wise, for example my car has a sunroof and say the Grand Prix doesn’t, does the Grand Prix computer still have the option for the sunroof even if the car doesn’t have it? Another concern is the transmission will my original blot up I really don’t want to put one in from the Grand Prix because I had a Monte Carlo ss that had a bad trans, so I guess the question is what would be the best transmission to pair up with the supercharged engine, any comments are welcome you guys may have points that I haven’t thought of, thanks!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:44 pm 
Offline
Posts like an L67
Posts like an L67

Joined: Sun Aug 22, 2010 11:11 pm
Posts: 1588
Location: Ontario, Canada
Year and Trim: 2000 Bonniville SSEi L67
the HD one is for the l67 - h4t65- e HD
the sunroof is probably controlled through the body module not the main PCM

_________________
poverty forces one to do unorthodox things

2000 SSEi
past rides:
1996 SSEi
1992 GTP
1987 Grand Am


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:54 pm 
Offline
Certified Bonneville Nut
Certified Bonneville Nut
User avatar

Joined: Wed May 21, 2008 11:47 pm
Posts: 6017
Location: Philly
Year and Trim: 95 SLE
You have a 4t60-e. If you were going to put a stock L67 in, I would say you should be fine keeping your 60 as long as you don't do a bunch of burnouts.. And if that were the case, your only stock computer option is the 96 SSEi computer but the trans gear ratio will be different. The L67 flexplate is drilled for a larger torque converter bolt pattern found in the L67. Many have used the L36 flexplate without issue.

The 97+ 4t65-HD has a better track record with modded L67s. It has a larger diff and more vanes in it's pump. You'll need one from an h-body car, or at least one with rear transmission mount webbing. You'll need different axles and a shorter passenger axle. What year you choose my limit your pcm options.

_________________
Image
95 SLE... a keeper. 241k miles. Low and Slow.
98 Infiniti vq35'd i30: 13.3@104mph, 30MPG Hwy
07 Infiniti G35s 6MT
07 Ducati Monster S2R 800 with DS1000 swap
05 Suzuki DRZ400S
83 Yamaha IT175K
74 Yamaha DT175: brap brap, brap
72 Yamaha DS7: '74 RD250 swap, JL chambers

Info on dropping a 92-99: Here.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:11 pm 
Offline
GXP Member
GXP Member

Joined: Thu May 22, 2008 10:08 pm
Posts: 238
Location: Detroit, MI
Year and Trim: 1996 Bonneville S/SE
I've done something very similar to this with my 96. Take a look at my builds. That said, try to stay with other h car ecus as it will be easier. If you are going to mod the l67, try to find a 98 or 99 4t65ed-hd.

This will drasticly save headaches on wiring. Then it's just a couple of pins to move at the c101

_________________
Dave
Image
INFO FOR CONVERTING SE TO SSE BODY HERE=>>http://www.pontiacbonnevilleclub.com/forum/detailing-appearance/topic39372.html
http://www.pontiacbonnevilleclub.com/forum/performance-brainstorming/topic43633.html
2002 Pro Stock Pontiac Firebird**GM 399 Splayed Valve Engine
1996 Pontiac Bonneville SE/SSE **100% Transformation from SE to SSE Complete**Lowered 2.00inches too**


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:06 pm 
Offline
SE Member
SE Member

Joined: Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:15 pm
Posts: 14
Year and Trim: 1996 Bonneville SSE
So if I were to do all this work is the supercharger even worth it? Or should I just use my stock engine and rebuild it which has 85k on it and turbo it with a bigger cam and some other upgrades, I don’t need a race car I’m just looking for a bit more power and a bit more noise.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:15 am 
Offline
Certified Bonneville Nut
Certified Bonneville Nut
User avatar

Joined: Wed May 21, 2008 11:47 pm
Posts: 6017
Location: Philly
Year and Trim: 95 SLE
A little contradictory there? Dont need a racecar but turbo+cam?

Your stock trans wont last over stock L67 power levels.

Stock short blocks have seen 10s and even 9s I think. No reason to rebuild.

_________________
Image
95 SLE... a keeper. 241k miles. Low and Slow.
98 Infiniti vq35'd i30: 13.3@104mph, 30MPG Hwy
07 Infiniti G35s 6MT
07 Ducati Monster S2R 800 with DS1000 swap
05 Suzuki DRZ400S
83 Yamaha IT175K
74 Yamaha DT175: brap brap, brap
72 Yamaha DS7: '74 RD250 swap, JL chambers

Info on dropping a 92-99: Here.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:24 am 
Offline
Certified Bonneville Nut
Certified Bonneville Nut
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:32 pm
Posts: 4426
Location: Dearborn, MI
Year and Trim: '93 SSEi
'05 STS-4
'97 Camaro
'97 LeSabre
The whole appeal of the L67 is that you get a crazy reliable drivetrain with more power. So, is it worth it? I guess, you have to consider, a stock L67 drivetrain is good for just as many miles as a N/A, with just a bit more power and a bit more noise. And of course, many aftermarket parts, and what have you...

The best route is the harness from a '97-'99 SSEi, re-pin the firewall connector, use the 4t65e-hd (as long as it has the drivers side rear motor mount bolt holes). PCM, well, I think the '98 grand prix PCM is the godfather of 3800 swaps in that it just doesn't give a hoot, but all of my 3800 swap projects have a '97-'99 SSEi PCM to start with, and they have been both re-flashed to the 'best' OS and tuned from there.

Engine and trans you can pull from almost any L67; harness, pcm, axles, heater and coolant hoses, trans cooler lines, oil cooler lines, etc have to come from a '97-'99 SSEi. If you haven't figured this out by now, the ideal donor is a '97-'99 SSEi.

_________________
Blow all the things! Wait, I meant boost. Boost!
Image

Runs:
'93 Pontiac Bonneville SSEi - Twincharged, manual, and lots more! Build thread
'97 Chevy Camaro - 3800 supercharged, T5, T-tops
'05 Cadillac STS - V8, AWD, her DD
'92 Olds Trofeo - Fair weather DD
'84 GMC Sierra Classic - Twin turbo 3800
'97 Buick LeSabre - L67 winter DD
'92 Pontiac Bonneville SSE future project

Doesn't run:
'87 Buick LeSabre T-type - future victim
'67 Buick LeSabre - future victim


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:27 pm 
Offline
SE Member
SE Member

Joined: Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:15 pm
Posts: 14
Year and Trim: 1996 Bonneville SSE
95naSTA wrote:
A little contradictory there? Dont need a racecar but turbo+cam?

Your stock trans wont last over stock L67 power levels.

Stock short blocks have seen 10s and even 9s I think. No reason to rebuild.



You are most definitely correct there it is quite contradictory but at the moment I’m not sure what I want to do and what more importantly is what the best thing to do is.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:30 pm 
Offline
SE Member
SE Member

Joined: Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:15 pm
Posts: 14
Year and Trim: 1996 Bonneville SSE
[quote="MattStrike"]The whole appeal of the L67 is that you get a crazy reliable drivetrain with more power. So, is it worth it? I guess, you have to consider, a stock L67 drivetrain is good for just as many miles as a N/A, with just a bit more power and a bit more noise. And of course, many aftermarket parts, and what have you...

The best route is the harness from a '97-'99 SSEi, re-pin the firewall connector, use the 4t65e-hd (as long as it has the drivers side rear motor mount bolt holes). PCM, well, I think the '98 grand prix PCM is the godfather of 3800 swaps in that it just doesn't give a hoot, but all of my 3800 swap projects have a '97-'99 SSEi PCM to start with, and they have been both re-flashed to the 'best' OS and tuned from there.

Engine and trans you can pull from almost any L67; harness, pcm, axles, heater and coolant hoses, trans cooler lines, oil cooler lines, etc have to come from a '97-'99 SSEi. If you haven't figured this out by now, the ideal donor is a '97-'99 SSEi.[/quote

Who did you have flash the pcm?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:52 pm 
Offline
Certified Bonneville Nut
Certified Bonneville Nut
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:32 pm
Posts: 4426
Location: Dearborn, MI
Year and Trim: '93 SSEi
'05 STS-4
'97 Camaro
'97 LeSabre
theirongiant99 wrote:
Who did you have flash the pcm?


ZZP or Intense can help you out if you don't have access to DHP or HP Tuners. A basic engine swap shouldn't need more than VATS removed.

_________________
Blow all the things! Wait, I meant boost. Boost!
Image

Runs:
'93 Pontiac Bonneville SSEi - Twincharged, manual, and lots more! Build thread
'97 Chevy Camaro - 3800 supercharged, T5, T-tops
'05 Cadillac STS - V8, AWD, her DD
'92 Olds Trofeo - Fair weather DD
'84 GMC Sierra Classic - Twin turbo 3800
'97 Buick LeSabre - L67 winter DD
'92 Pontiac Bonneville SSE future project

Doesn't run:
'87 Buick LeSabre T-type - future victim
'67 Buick LeSabre - future victim


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 10 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Related topics
 Topics   Author   Replies   Views   Last post 
There are no new unread posts for this topic. Swapping SSEI supercharged into Lesabre

dabatman99

2

502

Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:54 pm

00Beast View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Swapping to a '97 ECU.

'96Bonnevillel67

9

730

Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:31 pm

sandrock View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Swapping a supercharger

K-OtiK

6

906

Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:35 pm

K-OtiK View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Swapping 3.8L from 01 Grand Prix GT to 03 Bonneville! HELP!

donn188

6

1175

Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:10 am

Luxrain View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. seat swapping for 2000 SSEI

ducesonmybonnie

7

979

Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:58 pm

repnatl View the latest post

 


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group


phpBB SEO