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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 9:17 pm 
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I plan on swapping the '96 over from the 4T60 to a 4T65 that I sourced from a '98 Bonneville SE. I would really like to convert this transmission over to the HD version and use 3.39 Overall Gear Ratio. However I have a couple of questions.

1. Are all HD diffs a 3.29 Ratio Diff?

2. Do I need to swap the ring gear in the non-hd 4t65 at the same time as I swap the diff? Which Ring gear would I need to source.

I plan on installing the 4T65 HD upgrade kit from ZZP and their 7/8 chain kit too. I am just trying to make sure I don't miss anything during the rebuild.


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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 11:16 am 
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I can't recall exactly, but I thought you only need a ring gear change if you have a 4t60.

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 8:17 pm 
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Speedster400 wrote:
I plan on swapping the '96 over from the 4T60 to a 4T65 that I sourced from a '98 Bonneville SE. I would really like to convert this transmission over to the HD version and use 3.39 Overall Gear Ratio. However I have a couple of questions.

1. Are all HD diffs a 3.29 Ratio Diff?

2. Do I need to swap the ring gear in the non-hd 4t65 at the same time as I swap the diff? Which Ring gear would I need to source.

I plan on installing the 4T65 HD upgrade kit from ZZP and their 7/8 chain kit too. I am just trying to make sure I don't miss anything during the rebuild.


Thanks


If memory serves, a stock 2.86 ratio or 3.05 4T65E will have the 35 Drive and 35 Driven gears, The 4T65E HD uses a 37 Drive and 33 Driven for an overall 2.93 ratio( This is the 3.29 Diff )

If you use the 35 Drive and 35 Driven with the 3.29 HD Diff, HD diff cover and HD axle you will have an overall 3.29, I would get the ring gear just to have it, but iirc the ring gears between the 2.86, 3.05 and 3.29 should be the same.


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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 12:15 am 
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What exactly is in ZZP's upgrade kit? Be wary of them, they love to sell snake oil. The HD trans is in reality no stronger than the regular one.

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 9:11 am 
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LOTS of Mods
to convert from a Non HD to a HD you need the following.

HD Diff (3.29 ratio they are all this way)
HD Diff Cover
Passenger Side SSEi axle
PCM Programming to accept the 3.29 ratio

I "think" the sun gear that is inside the Diff is a different size, and you will need a HD Diff Sun Gear


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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 12:04 pm 
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I should have said make sure that 3.29 HD diff has the sun gear..lol

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