whats wrong with snake oil? that stuff works wonders...

awesome write up though. i just read through the whole thing. should be stickied for sure.

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the focus was my first car so obviously it has become my money pit and 580whp play toy.
i bought a kia soul to "grow up" and have something that is practical with a back seat and gets good mileage.
my wife brought the ssei bonneville into the mix to piss me off because it does everything the kia does better.
i then bought another ssei bonneville

I don't doubt you man, but there's a guy at work who has an '05 Monte Carlo (3.8L).
He swear's this kit made a Massive difference in performance and fuel economy...
I understand the "snake oil" thing ,thats why I thought I'd ask here.
I've ridden in his car and it's pretty dam* quick!

Guess I'm looking for a way to get more performance without major mods, and $60 seemed like an easy option...
How would I go about finding someone locally who could tune the PCM for me?

BTW: Just changing the Air Filter to the K&N made a noticable difference!
I can hear the SC a little more, but that's not a bad thing IMHO...

Where are you located?

Its normally about $100 to have your car tuned, cheaper if you know someone. If there isnt anyone around you, INTENSE Racing does canned tunes for your car. $100.
http://www.intense-racing.com

Does your buddy have actual documented numbers (dyno) to back up their claims?

If it was a legit thing, there would be others on here that have it

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I wished I could have found a local tuner for 100.00, have to learn with three others now

Any place with a dyno would have been able to get ya tuned.

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I live in Cincinnati (Northern Suburbs)...
I feel kind of bad (stupid), but I went ahead and ordered one of those kits the other night, right after I posted that message...
It was a combination of beer, gulibility and a cheap price...

As for the guy at work. No, he doesn't have any proof (dyno) results, it was just a feeling thing that could very well be placebo and justification since he spent money on it...

That being said... He's a pretty bright guy and he's happy with it, which may explains why I bought one...

I've only been on this forum for a short time, but I can already tell most folks on here are car gurus!
I'm pretty mechanically inclined, and worked on cars ALOT when I was younger but my hobby has been computers for quite awhile...

Honestly, my PC is pretty well tweaked out, so I thought I'd put a little money in my car (my 2nd love).

The sad thing is, it was only $60, but now I'm not expecting much, and hoping it doesn't trash my PCM...
I'm pretty sure I wasted my money...

Well you can be the guinea pig for the forum!! Def make a thread in, say, "General Discussion" (since it applies to all cars) about the product and your findings after you install it.

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This is awesome. I've done all those to my Gp gtp other than headers and a shift-kit. How much would this normally cost, so I can get some quotes and be sure I don't get ripped off?

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1997 Grand Prix GTP "Black Ice, 'cuz it's slick" - 17" Motegi Racing Rims, Hankook Optimo Performance Tires, 'Big 3' Wiring Upgrade, Weapon R Secret Weapon Intake w/ Ram Air, Larger SuperCharger lines, AutoLite 104's, U-Bend Delete, Resonator Delete, Cat Delete, Turbo Flowmaster Mufflers. 342bhp, 327 lb-ft torque, 9.091 boost psi @ 6,012 rpm.

This is your best bet for a budget...
http://speed-daddy.com/index.php/header ... 8l-v6.html

Do a search on the forum, there are more than a few running these and they have some things that need to get welded so they dont leak.

Other than the SD you are looking at $6-700 and up for headers.

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Awesome. I love this place! Haha

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1997 Grand Prix GTP "Black Ice, 'cuz it's slick" - 17" Motegi Racing Rims, Hankook Optimo Performance Tires, 'Big 3' Wiring Upgrade, Weapon R Secret Weapon Intake w/ Ram Air, Larger SuperCharger lines, AutoLite 104's, U-Bend Delete, Resonator Delete, Cat Delete, Turbo Flowmaster Mufflers. 342bhp, 327 lb-ft torque, 9.091 boost psi @ 6,012 rpm.

And search on Ebay for the SDs may save some money and then also you wont need to do your U-bend delete that you asked about in your other thread.

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Sweet! Thanks

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1997 Grand Prix GTP "Black Ice, 'cuz it's slick" - 17" Motegi Racing Rims, Hankook Optimo Performance Tires, 'Big 3' Wiring Upgrade, Weapon R Secret Weapon Intake w/ Ram Air, Larger SuperCharger lines, AutoLite 104's, U-Bend Delete, Resonator Delete, Cat Delete, Turbo Flowmaster Mufflers. 342bhp, 327 lb-ft torque, 9.091 boost psi @ 6,012 rpm.

Dumb question.. what do you mean by SD? What's that stand for? (Noob over here )

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1997 Grand Prix GTP "Black Ice, 'cuz it's slick" - 17" Motegi Racing Rims, Hankook Optimo Performance Tires, 'Big 3' Wiring Upgrade, Weapon R Secret Weapon Intake w/ Ram Air, Larger SuperCharger lines, AutoLite 104's, U-Bend Delete, Resonator Delete, Cat Delete, Turbo Flowmaster Mufflers. 342bhp, 327 lb-ft torque, 9.091 boost psi @ 6,012 rpm.

Speed Daddy's

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Thought so. Sweet! And btw they are platinum plugs.. :/ but they have 100k mile warranty.

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1997 Grand Prix GTP "Black Ice, 'cuz it's slick" - 17" Motegi Racing Rims, Hankook Optimo Performance Tires, 'Big 3' Wiring Upgrade, Weapon R Secret Weapon Intake w/ Ram Air, Larger SuperCharger lines, AutoLite 104's, U-Bend Delete, Resonator Delete, Cat Delete, Turbo Flowmaster Mufflers. 342bhp, 327 lb-ft torque, 9.091 boost psi @ 6,012 rpm.

Hey since this is a thread about performance questions I guess ill ask one. I put a post up a few days ago asking if they made or if anyone knew where to get performance parts for a northstar engine I have a 2004 GXP. I noticed in all the info you gave here nothing talkes about the GXP. Well if any of you know what i can get or where let me know thanks

Please keep this in your own thread.

Short answer: There aren't any.

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RIP sandrock

ok man sorry to interupt your special conversation about 6cylinders but just thought i would ask. you sounded so cocky about knowing all things bonneville. Ill leave this site now that i know no one likes power in there cars.

short answer: lose weight your car will go faster.

It just keeps things tidy(which we try to do with the forum, for the most part). There were answers in your thread already and there's no need to spread the info directly over 2 threads. That's all man! No hard feelings!

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No, I'm not being sarcastic, mean or grumpy. There literally are no parts for Northstars, really. Not trying to be a dick. It just helps keep everything organized and easier to sort through.

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RIP sandrock