Kris Atchison
1994 SE
Custom Exhaust
1.9 Yella Terra Rockers
3.06 FDR Conversion
K&N CAI
Normally Aspirated
60' Time: 2.158
1/8 mile time and mph: 9.263 s, 78.27mph
1/4 mile time and mph: 14.316 s, 98.64 mph ((R/T -0.042)

Race Date 7/22/11 (WCBF11)
Car 287 (left side column)


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I gotta go to bed-urrr. I missed the email alert. ttyl

urr - urg. Didn't enalrge

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2001 Bonneville SSEi. 1598xx mi.
great car. Wrecked


Burnt Bonny.

Note if you pull the injectors to obserbe fuel delivery...make sure you leave the plugs in and disconnect the ign. Believe me

That's pretty darn good for an NA.
Glad you could make it to WCBF11. Come again next year and stay and chat a while. You weren't with us long enough to really get to know you Chris.

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2000 SSEi - SilverBullet - 78,000 kms, 4" "straight shot" custom headlight ram air inlet, TOGs, 1.9's, Lsd, 2.9-3.4"MPS 10-15 psi, Ported GenV, EGR eliminated, OR pushrods, oil volume kit, trani cooler & shift kit, Titanium retainers, 90 lb springs, 160 Stat, 42# injectors, Fuel pump voltage increase, Wideband O2, 3" to dual 2 1/2" Magnaflows, Snow Meth/water injection, after SC temp gauge, 255/50WR17, timing commander set 15-18*@WOT, 2 speed Fan over-ride, disabled DRL, Solid motor mount, Meziere Electric water pump, adjustable fuel pressure regulator, Drilled & slotted rotors/ceramics, GXP sway bars and STB, Upgraded and rebuilt transmission with ZZP 2500 rpm stall TC, Pioneer Bluetooth stereo with sub and 800 W amps, PB 13.5 quarter, (April 2014 car of the month)

That would be really good for a supercharged Series I. What have you done to it?

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WHITE WHINE - 1992 SSE Supercharged 236.26 ci (.040 Over) 15.090 at 90.2 MPH on old engine w/ slipping trans & melted O2 sensor - Gen 3 M62 and matching TB, Gen 2 Pully, Zillamotorsports Ported LIM, YT 1.72 Roller Rockers, SII FPR & Injectors, Hypertech Thermomaster chip w/ 160 Thermo, TransGo Shift Kit, Infinity/Pioneer Speakers & a 10" Alpine Type R Sub, all the watts, 140 amp Alternator, Ricepipe CAI w/ heatshield, Pilot Angel Eye Foglights, Clear Corners, '02 17" Chrome Bent 5's, Magnaflow F-Body Muffler and Hi-flo Cat, Ceramic Coated Ported Exhaust Manifolds, Fan Override, Monroe Reflex struts, red calipers
2009 G8 GT - Sport Red Metallic, loaded, SOLO Axlebacks, Rotofab Intake, Tuned, autodim mirror, removed intake manifold cover, HSV GTS triple gauge pod, two tone red-hot shifter and HSV SuperSport steering wheel, GXP rear sway bar and diffuser, 3.45 diff and various Camaro suspension bits, LED Taillights

Check out his sig.
.....and some said it couldn't be done with all the problems he was having with his car......

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2000 SSEi - SilverBullet - 78,000 kms, 4" "straight shot" custom headlight ram air inlet, TOGs, 1.9's, Lsd, 2.9-3.4"MPS 10-15 psi, Ported GenV, EGR eliminated, OR pushrods, oil volume kit, trani cooler & shift kit, Titanium retainers, 90 lb springs, 160 Stat, 42# injectors, Fuel pump voltage increase, Wideband O2, 3" to dual 2 1/2" Magnaflows, Snow Meth/water injection, after SC temp gauge, 255/50WR17, timing commander set 15-18*@WOT, 2 speed Fan over-ride, disabled DRL, Solid motor mount, Meziere Electric water pump, adjustable fuel pressure regulator, Drilled & slotted rotors/ceramics, GXP sway bars and STB, Upgraded and rebuilt transmission with ZZP 2500 rpm stall TC, Pioneer Bluetooth stereo with sub and 800 W amps, PB 13.5 quarter, (April 2014 car of the month)

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Tommy

03 Pontiac Bonneville SSEi - Daily Driver
| 06/10: 12.570@108.82 (1.831 60') | Best 60':1.824 | Best 1/4 MPH: 110.36 |

99 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP
Currently being tuned

Bloody hell.

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Heck that's faster than the Zilla!! Not as quick but he was running street tires!!

No comment Bill? 98.6 mph!! Almost Freekish!


Edit by Admin:

Ummmm.....NO, not faster than ZiLLA, and Zilla didn't have a pretty purple bottle hidden in the car. Zilla is still a bit quicker than that.

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2000 SSEi - SilverBullet - 78,000 kms, 4" "straight shot" custom headlight ram air inlet, TOGs, 1.9's, Lsd, 2.9-3.4"MPS 10-15 psi, Ported GenV, EGR eliminated, OR pushrods, oil volume kit, trani cooler & shift kit, Titanium retainers, 90 lb springs, 160 Stat, 42# injectors, Fuel pump voltage increase, Wideband O2, 3" to dual 2 1/2" Magnaflows, Snow Meth/water injection, after SC temp gauge, 255/50WR17, timing commander set 15-18*@WOT, 2 speed Fan over-ride, disabled DRL, Solid motor mount, Meziere Electric water pump, adjustable fuel pressure regulator, Drilled & slotted rotors/ceramics, GXP sway bars and STB, Upgraded and rebuilt transmission with ZZP 2500 rpm stall TC, Pioneer Bluetooth stereo with sub and 800 W amps, PB 13.5 quarter, (April 2014 car of the month)

I didn't notice the alert email. Hope everyone's interest is still up. I didn't think it would be such a big deal. I knew it was fast and it felt like it (i burned off for like 10') , but freakish and faster than a SC?

What have I done? Learned out of necessity keeping her running. Read the forums on my cell ( in 2007) and got excited about performance. Took advice (mostly Bill's and Jwykoff's but also from everyone who had a good idea) where it made sense and pressed on. She has taught me the soft touch and patience. "There aren't very many performance parts available for the L27" is a very true statement. What now for under $500? I need a new burn. The Olds88 ECM is faster than the sinister performance tune. After that it's a thousand dollars and up I guess. Honestly though adjusting my techniques will deliver better times. My last run of the 4 I tried holding the brake down and lifting off slowly while increasing the revs and let go of the break as revs just barely don't bog before I take off. That and better timing at the start. Also I'm not sure exactly where the finish lne is. On the 4th run I didn't let up until I was way past it, farther that I had with the previous 16.xxx runs

I should have stayed tucked in behind you and got back up there Paul. You guys are great it was a great pleasure to meet you and John and Heuri and all. I have a tough time making friends sadly. But'll be back to wcbf next time around.

I would not have this car if not for Pontiac Bonneville Club

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great car. Wrecked


Burnt Bonny.

Note if you pull the injectors to obserbe fuel delivery...make sure you leave the plugs in and disconnect the ign. Believe me

The biggest eyepopper is that my G8 with over twice as much stock HP and a much better transmission is only going to be half a second faster or so. Definately freakish.

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WHITE WHINE - 1992 SSE Supercharged 236.26 ci (.040 Over) 15.090 at 90.2 MPH on old engine w/ slipping trans & melted O2 sensor - Gen 3 M62 and matching TB, Gen 2 Pully, Zillamotorsports Ported LIM, YT 1.72 Roller Rockers, SII FPR & Injectors, Hypertech Thermomaster chip w/ 160 Thermo, TransGo Shift Kit, Infinity/Pioneer Speakers & a 10" Alpine Type R Sub, all the watts, 140 amp Alternator, Ricepipe CAI w/ heatshield, Pilot Angel Eye Foglights, Clear Corners, '02 17" Chrome Bent 5's, Magnaflow F-Body Muffler and Hi-flo Cat, Ceramic Coated Ported Exhaust Manifolds, Fan Override, Monroe Reflex struts, red calipers
2009 G8 GT - Sport Red Metallic, loaded, SOLO Axlebacks, Rotofab Intake, Tuned, autodim mirror, removed intake manifold cover, HSV GTS triple gauge pod, two tone red-hot shifter and HSV SuperSport steering wheel, GXP rear sway bar and diffuser, 3.45 diff and various Camaro suspension bits, LED Taillights

That timeslip is a timing error or we're not being told the whole story (nitrous, etc). Most of spoiledreds runs were in the 16's where it should be, and that car doesn't produce enough power to even be in the high 14's. You're not running 1.9 rockers, you're running 1.8's. And your 3.06 FDR conversion is counter-productive for performance. Your car isn't even shifting at peak power. Trapping at 98mph in a lightly modified L27 is way out of the realm of possibilities due to the fact that it doesn't make the horsepower or have the gears to trap at that speed on the quarter mile. You're in the realm of S2 L67's with these numbers, which just isn't possible by any stretch of the imagination.

Some of us from WCBF are stumped that you ran this over an hour before they all left for my house, yet nobody saw the run, and you didn't show the timeslip while WCBF was still in attendance. You would have been told at that time there was an error. All your other runs were far slower (by 2 seconds or more, an eternity on the quarter mile).

This would not be the first time we've had track timing issues. Please post the rest of your timeslips so we can figure out what happened on that run.





Here's an L27 with 1.8 rockers in fantastic condition with a perfect transmission

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Are you sure you have all your mods and power adders listed correctly. There have been many cars run with rockers that never came close to these times. For example, when John Hubbard ran Christine he was running low 16's and that car was running top notch.

I am guessing this slipped your mind when mentioning your mods:





Your current list of mods:



You have posted many times in the past of having a NOS kit and wanting to run it instead of a SC. From doing a search, I have come up with several posts:

http://pontiacbonnevilleclub.com/forum/search.php?keywords=nos&terms=all&author=spoiledred94&sv=0&sc=1&sf=all&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search

http://pontiacbonnevilleclub.com/forum/search.php?keywords=nos&terms=all&author=spoiledred94&sv=0&sc=1&sf=all&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search

In addition to this, I never noticed you opening your hood to cool your motor. This was a very hot day and I know you would have dealt with heat soak.

IMHO, I think you were running off the bottle and did not want to reveal that to others. Right now, it is hard to believe there was not something else going on with your car to pull off a time like that. There have also been many times that people have asked for pictures of your car and engine (we love car porn) and you have never shown any or very few.

If there was anything else, now would be a good time to come clean. You are not the first to go NOS and I really don't care, but we do like honesty here. Don't take this too offensively, but I would just like to know what really hapened here.

I never even met you at the track or even saw you run because I was busy with introducing my daughter to the joys of racing and keeping it at the track. It was noticed that you never came over to join us or even introduce yourself to the group and there is where my suspicions lie.

I begin to see now why you never opened your hood, stayed away from the WCBF group at the track, and never came back to the meet after the track closed. You couldn't show us under your hood or show us that time slip without us asking for more information or inspecting your car.

These are my suspicions, if you have another explanation, I'd love to hear it.

Edit: Now I hear that two members (Paul and Ray) invited you to come over and join the group where they were staged at the track, and you turned down the offers?

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Nobody likes a cheat!

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2000 SSEi - SilverBullet - 78,000 kms, 4" "straight shot" custom headlight ram air inlet, TOGs, 1.9's, Lsd, 2.9-3.4"MPS 10-15 psi, Ported GenV, EGR eliminated, OR pushrods, oil volume kit, trani cooler & shift kit, Titanium retainers, 90 lb springs, 160 Stat, 42# injectors, Fuel pump voltage increase, Wideband O2, 3" to dual 2 1/2" Magnaflows, Snow Meth/water injection, after SC temp gauge, 255/50WR17, timing commander set 15-18*@WOT, 2 speed Fan over-ride, disabled DRL, Solid motor mount, Meziere Electric water pump, adjustable fuel pressure regulator, Drilled & slotted rotors/ceramics, GXP sway bars and STB, Upgraded and rebuilt transmission with ZZP 2500 rpm stall TC, Pioneer Bluetooth stereo with sub and 800 W amps, PB 13.5 quarter, (April 2014 car of the month)

Especially one that makes it deliberate. Stating up front what you ran with is one thing. A deliberate lie is a totally different matter. I'm the only Series 1 to ever hit the 1.9 60' time, and will probably hold that crown for eternity. 2.1 is what I run on the 60' with SLICKS on a bad launch. You did it on street tires on a hot afternoon? With an L27 that runs pretty much the lowest torque peak of any car on this Forum?

Kris, it's time to come clean.

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This as far as I've read and I'm WOT throttle about this. I got a great start Dude and that's it.

How about you? Let's see your numbers. I'm a hard sciences major with a 3.49 Overall GPA (PSU) How do you actually know how possibly fast my car will go?

NO nitous oxide friends...If you read that post (s) you should see that I gave up the idea. I took Bills advice as I most often do. I had the NO set in my hands, but a gut feeling told me that yeah, it bust my botom end. Dropped it and until, hopefully, I get my l67, it will stay that way.

I took Paul's offer and pulled over to the last spot partially available and got out snd stood there awhile. There was a barrel pylon half in front of the parking spot znd I got to thinking that I might be parked in a prohibited zone and left so I could race. What I didn't realize at the time was that Paul's trunk was full up and he probably needed to download an MSD coil set. Any way nobody was rude or uncool or harsh. Glad I met you, hope to do it again.

Friday!!!

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great car. Wrecked


Burnt Bonny.

Note if you pull the injectors to obserbe fuel delivery...make sure you leave the plugs in and disconnect the ign. Believe me

You're FOS Dudett. My hood was open for just that reason, in my asking spot-a lot.

I've always been open and very forthcoming in posts her for the last 4 or 5 years. For instance wayback Bill called me on 13 s claim. Which I innocently claimed estimated. The only way was to get a track time. Do you do PIR or WBD? Thanks for chiming in but seriously I can't take your negativity, John.

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2001 Bonneville SSEi. 1598xx mi.
great car. Wrecked


Burnt Bonny.

Note if you pull the injectors to obserbe fuel delivery...make sure you leave the plugs in and disconnect the ign. Believe me

I know how fast your car will go with your stated mods because I've been doing this since 2002 with these cars, have seen countless numbers of them go through my own shop, raced against them dozens of times, and even driven them down the track myself. Not to mention the fact that my GPA was higher than yours, and I run one of the top 5 Industrial Laser Research Labs in the world that I built with my own two hands from nothing, and have the education and over 20 years of experience to back it up. I know very well what an L27 with rockers will run, and how much horsepower it's NOT capable of. You're not the first L27 on Nitrous to run here. Maybe we should seek Kyle's opinion on the laughter here? You've already mentioned the names of perhaps the two foremost experts on the Series 1 in this topic already, and I'd be willing to bet both John and I could predict a Series 1 L27 or L67 track time based on a mod list within 2 tenths of the actual capability of the car. Before WCBF, I'd already pinned your car at mid-16's, and your previous runs on Friday backed that up. I could give a flying fook what your education level or GPA is because it has no bearing on this situation whatsoever. There are a bunch of people here with High School education and poor GPA's that I have a ton of respect for, and they can turn wrenches around quite a few college-educated members. The only GPA's I care about is those of my own children, so save the bragging for your parents.

Your car isn't even capable of a 16.0 at 85mph. No L27 with rockers on street tires can pull a 2.1 60' either, as they don't produce enough torque to move the car in that short distance so quickly, let alone your ridiculous claim of a 2.1 60' and a 14.3 @ 98 mph. You insult us with your outrageous attempt to 'fit in' and get accolades for your fantastic mechanicky skilz, Yo!



You did NOT take my advice. I told you very clearly to quit modding a broken horse, and that you'll never achieve your goals starting with an L27. What do you take us for here? Nobody pulls out a magic run 2 seconds quicker off a good launch, especially not with an L27. The L27 isn't capable of trapping at 98mph even with a Cam and ported heads, because it's not a horsepower motor. Your mid-16 runs at Woodburn were correct. Your 14.3 was not. If you'd really wanted to fool us, you'd have kept it to a small shot all day about half a second quicker, but we would have still suspected something, as we KNOW what L27's are capable of, and know it very well. We've been doing this far longer than you have.




I can assure you that there isn't a single member here that believes you weren't spraying your kit on that run. Your attempt here is almost insulting to us. You were invited by two members of our group, and flatly walked away from one of them without even acknowledging the invite. I can assure you that you won't be seeing this crowd next year.




His name is MATT. Not John. His negativity is felt by many here. If you'd come clean in your reply this morning, we might have a different view. Let me re-iterate: We're not stupid. We've caught cheats and liars in the past, and you won't be the last. Your attempt was pre-meditated, and poorly executed. When you had your second chance at honesty, you didn't take it. What you'll probably never understand is just how STUPID that track run and the excuse for the low number really looks. It's no different than a 18-second civic with a 500 pound body kit suddenly running low 16's on one magical run. The difference is the punks on the ricer Forum would have already run you out of town. Here on this Forum, you got your chance to come clean, but chose poorly.



On this Forum, we pride ourselves in honesty and mutual help. You're living a lie. So what advice would YOU give to a new member when they asked how you pulled a 14.3 at 98mph in an L27? Would you say 100 shot, or 150? Help them beat you? Or would you hold them back with a 50 shot?

Shaving 2 seconds off an ET is something that takes most people 3 or 4 YEARS and hundreds, if not thousands of dollars. Amazing car you have there, to do it in about an hour!

Post your other slips Kris. In your next reply. Others at WCBF saw them or the results on the finish line display, I think it's time you shared the data of those runs (I know there were at least 3 or 4 other runs in the 16's) with the rest of the club.

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FWIW i could cut 2.2 60' all day long on very hard, very not grippy all seasons in my essentially stock 1993 SE... 3.06 FDR and all that Jazz. Sticky tires would have definitely brought it down .1 or .2...


However a mid 14 is a full second quicker than what we've seen around here. A big shot on the bottle can explain most of that however. Not really cheating IMO, but not discussing it or hiding it is kinda lame.

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Since your first post in the time slip thread, all you have added was the rockers. To refresh things, here is your entire post:



So let's compare

before rockers:...........17.557 secs 80.58mph

after rockers:..............14.316 secs 98.64mph, a difference of 3.2 secs and 18.1mph

You gained 2 secs and 15mph just in the 1/8 mile?

I am not a rocket scientist or anything, but you must have the best rockers in the world to get performance like that. Why did I ever put a cam in when I could have just done these rockers?

Let me be the first to post this:

I wouldn't call it cheating either, but a LIE for sure. He specifically claimed Naturally Aspirated, yet we all know that's a bunch of BS now. Cheating comes into it though in this sense:

Our 'Official' time slip posting topic is somewhat of a competition. Fairness is a requirement when posting this type of data, and fairness requires HONESTY. This is no different than a pro golfer sneaking in an illegal ball with a counterfeit label on it.

As further data shows:

http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/ ... times.html




And these rockers http://intense-racing.com/Merchant2/mer ... y_Code=HCV produce about 10-15 horsepower on an L27.

Stock specs are
So at best, this L27 is producing 185 horsepower. Let's give it the big advantage and go way out of the realm and run this at 200 horsepower, spot him a relatively light 3600 pounds.......and
http://robrobinette.com/et.htm
produces an estimated ET based on PHYSICS using car weight and flywheel horsepower.......16.09 seconds.

In order to pull off a 98mph trap at 3600 pounds (and his car is heavier), he would have to have 264.44 WHEEL HORSEPOWER. That's over 300 CRANK horsepower. http://www.hotrodpitstop.com/tools.html#0

In addition, a 98mph trap speed on a 3600 pound car (again, that's spotting him at least 100 pounds) is 264.44 WHEEL horsepower: http://www.race-cars.net/calculators/et_calculator.html
on that same page, the ET calculator shows a 3600 pound car with 160hp at the wheels (starting with 200 crank that he doesn't have, and accounting for FWD trans loss) at 16.44 seconds at 82mph.


All these estimates are within 5% at the worst, and that's spotting him a lighter weight and a HEAVILY advantaged horsepower for his stated mods. And no, these aren't piss-ant ricer calculators, they are based on physics.


Ready for the ridiculous one? Still spotting him 3600 WITH DRIVER......http://www.race-cars.net/calculators/ho ... lator.html



NOT!

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