mine does 1999 - 2013.

when you ordfer the tech 2 they will ask you what year and make your vehicle is. they will provide with the proper software to use for your car. when you buy, there is a whole list of vehicles to choose from.

So what's up with the software?
The link to aliexpress says "This order is with 1pc free software. Pls kindly send email to us or leave message which car software do you want when you place the order. If not, we will send you the GM English card."

Does this mean that the default GM English memory card they give you is just a watered down version and to get all features you need to have the card programmed for a specific vehicle?

From browsing the web I gleaned that the genuine tech2 can read all GM vehicles with all features but the clones do not have full data for all GM vehicles.
Is this true?

I would be wanting to use this on multiple vehicles.

no. it doesn't mean that it is watered down and you gotta buy the program for one vehicle. you get the full array. there are different languages, and different vehicle manufacturers. they dates and the languages are the main issue when you order the cards. all you gotta do is tell them which vehicles you will be using and they will ship the proper card with it. it's all very self explanatory, all you gotta do is read what it says. and you oughta lose the attitude that the chines stuff is crap and that they are trying to fool someone and ship them something that isn't represented. these chinese people are very proud and very proud of their products. they can't advertise certain things cause that would be copyright infringement. really, they wouldn't at all want to send you something that doesn't work. let me explain that on my 02 bonnie, ALL of the functions work,,,ALL OF THEM. so whoever tells you that they don't, is lying piece of crap that has something to gain from bashing the chinese.

and for any more of you that doubt that these are good solid products,,,these aren't for you,,,you won't be settled and feeling easy till you drop a grand on one from a dealership, only to find out that it was manufactured in china too. and if you don't think i'm telling the truth,,,,i asked a friend that works at a garage, and their tech 2 is also a chinese clone....since bosch and vetronix don't manufacture these any more,,,and a dealership needs one,,where pray tell do you suggest or think that they are gonna get them? they buy them from chinese manufacturers that sell on the web. period, hands down,,,end of story

after talking a little more with my friend that works in the garage that has the clone version, he told me that the only thing he has noticed that these don't do are the latter year models that dip into mdi years. once they brought the mdi on line,,,they started to phase out the usefulness of the tech 2 in those newer year model cars to force the dealerships to buy the new mdi. that said, the only issues that my friend has encountered as far as thing s not working on the clone tech 2, are the latter model years that need the candi interface. and that is saab and holden cars and anything newer than obd2. and i think what the deal is is that obd3 cars are backwards compatible, but not all functions are there and the same.

I appreciate the real world test's that both of you have given. I'm not one to scream about COO-Country of Origin as almost everything is made in China or elsewhere. It is tough though being a auto tech in school. One of my teachers as well as my local tool truck guy always harass me about using "Chinamen", (Craftsman), tools even though I've done all my work without issue. Plus, I've been looking at acquiring a GM Tech2 as jobs I've taken on the side almost always deal with GM brand cars.

i can appreciate that. and let me vouch for these people that sold us these two units, they are very honest and straight forward people. i found that out about them first thing. the unit that i have is as a factory unit should be. and coming from me personally, a man that lives on 900 dollars a month from my ssdi, if i had spent even one good dollar for a bad piece would have ruined me financially. i had to buy this out of the fact that the dealership wanted the cost of this just to diagnose my vehicle. and certainly would have run me into the thousands as they tracked the issues down. so i opted to bite the bullet and take the gamble. and so far i can honestly tell you that it has already paid for itself.

Not trying to make a debate or anything. I worked in a GM service department, I purchased mine from them, as a used unit when the dealership "cycled" a few of there older, more "gently loved" units. Mine is a Vetronix unit, with a valid serial number, validated by Bosch (when I had to replace the VCI module a couple years back), as they now handle the Tech2. When I tried to update mine at the SPO terminal in the service department that I formerly worked at, it wouldn't let me go past 2009. Granted this was a couple years ago also. Things may have changed since.

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Summer Toys: Combined 827 RWHP / 877lb/ft RWTQ
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2006 Cadillac STS-V: Light Platinum Metallic/Light Gray/A6 - Spectre CAI, Magnaflow exhaust, Speed Inc. tune, 412 RWHP / 472lb/ft RWTQ

Daily Drivers:
2019 Chrysler Pacifica Limited: Mommy's new RGC
2015 Chrysler Town & Country Limited Platinum: Kids new RGC
2007 Chrysler Town & Country Limited: Sold to neighbor
2009 Pontiac G8 GT: L76, Sport Red Metallic
2003 Chevrolet Suburban 2500: Doeskin Tan - 8.1L Big Block... new plow truck
1999 Chevrolet Suburban: Sunset Gold Metallic - Daddy's winter beater and plow truck

i took my tech 2, and connected it to my laptop and opened up the tsi2000 software that i bought with it, and unlocked it with the dongle provided with the software. as soon as i did that you can do diagnostics of the tech 2, and log into the g.m. website with them. i did that and checked the version of software that it had, and there were no issues downloading an update and flashing it to the tech 2. no issues whatsoever. and as far as the hardware goes. noeither bosch nor vetronix manufacture any of this stuff any more. everything has gone mdi. the only places you can get any parts at all for the tech 2 is off the web. that said, when you buy one from websites that advertise them new, they are not real units. anything that you buy for them are also not real pieces. they are all of chinese manufacture at this point in time. so many people have paid well over 1500.00 for something they thought was real, and it was actually a chinese clone. let me assure you that if you buy anything tech 2 from anywhere on the web, andany dealerships, except a few of the old units that had been taken out of use early on, they are chinese clones. period, hands down, end of story.

I mentioned that GM has gone MDI in my first post of this thread.

And Bosch supports the tool as that is where I bought my VCI module through.

http://www.boschdiagnostics.com/TESTEQU ... Tools.aspx

http://www.boschdiagnostics.com/testequ ... Tech2.aspx

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Retired Bonneville Owner and former GM Tech:
2004 Pontiac Bonneville GXP: Black/Ebony *SOLD*

Summer Toys: Combined 827 RWHP / 877lb/ft RWTQ
2004 Pontiac GTO: Impulse Blue Metallic/Black/M6: lots 'o mods, 415 RWHP / 405lb/ft RWTQ!
2006 Cadillac STS-V: Light Platinum Metallic/Light Gray/A6 - Spectre CAI, Magnaflow exhaust, Speed Inc. tune, 412 RWHP / 472lb/ft RWTQ

Daily Drivers:
2019 Chrysler Pacifica Limited: Mommy's new RGC
2015 Chrysler Town & Country Limited Platinum: Kids new RGC
2007 Chrysler Town & Country Limited: Sold to neighbor
2009 Pontiac G8 GT: L76, Sport Red Metallic
2003 Chevrolet Suburban 2500: Doeskin Tan - 8.1L Big Block... new plow truck
1999 Chevrolet Suburban: Sunset Gold Metallic - Daddy's winter beater and plow truck

Why does it NOT go back to 1996, which was the beginning of OBD2?

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2005 GXP Bonneville (his) (SOLD)
2004 SLE Bonneville (hers)
2004 SLE Bonneville (sons)
2006 GXP Grand Prix (sons)
1998 SLE GMC Sierra
1991 Yamaha FJ1200
1983 Trans Am (SOLD)
1979 Trans Am

Can you share a link to where you got the tech 2 with the dongle? I don't see the dongle being included when I look at the aliexpress link in the first post, unless I am missing it.

Is it ok to sell these units because they are not being sold in the US?

Older news but a local VA resident was busted for selling units like this and got in a lot of trouble with GM over it. http://www.justice.gov/usao/vae/news/20 ... teonr.html

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2010 Silverado LTZ Crew 4x4 6.2L L9H 417HP/403TQ NHT Black Granite Metallic/Ebony Leather
2013 Enclave Premium AWD 3.6L LLT White Diamond Tricoat/Cocoa Leather
2001 Wellcraft Martinique 2400 Merc 5.7L BIII 327hrs

1995 Bonneville SSE L36 Dark Polo Green Metallic **R.I.P. 4/28/10 236,400 miles**

if you are ordering these units you need to be talking with the people you are ordering from./ you can contac them and askl them questions. they are there to explain, and they do very well.

well, seeing it is that that happened in 2012, and this is 2014. as long as you don't advertise it is real, or a clone, and say that you bought it second hand, i'd say sell them.

dude, did you bother to read the ad for the piece you were looking at? it is all explained,,or do you not know how to read and comprehend english? all you gotta do is ask the people from the company that is advertising them

What is the deal with your attitude in this thread?

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2003 Bonneville SSEi - The Black Mirror SOLD!
2002 Bonneville SE - The Mutt Complete 2004 SLE interior, drivetrain, and body harness swap, ECC swap, HUD swap, black GXP wheels, GXP headlights and tinted tails - SOLD
2003 BMW 540i M Sport, 2001 BMW X5 4.4i, 2010 GMC Acadia, 2017 Grand Design Imagine 3150BH
1982 Cutlass Supreme - The fun one

No kidding.

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Retired Bonneville Owner and former GM Tech:
2004 Pontiac Bonneville GXP: Black/Ebony *SOLD*

Summer Toys: Combined 827 RWHP / 877lb/ft RWTQ
2004 Pontiac GTO: Impulse Blue Metallic/Black/M6: lots 'o mods, 415 RWHP / 405lb/ft RWTQ!
2006 Cadillac STS-V: Light Platinum Metallic/Light Gray/A6 - Spectre CAI, Magnaflow exhaust, Speed Inc. tune, 412 RWHP / 472lb/ft RWTQ

Daily Drivers:
2019 Chrysler Pacifica Limited: Mommy's new RGC
2015 Chrysler Town & Country Limited Platinum: Kids new RGC
2007 Chrysler Town & Country Limited: Sold to neighbor
2009 Pontiac G8 GT: L76, Sport Red Metallic
2003 Chevrolet Suburban 2500: Doeskin Tan - 8.1L Big Block... new plow truck
1999 Chevrolet Suburban: Sunset Gold Metallic - Daddy's winter beater and plow truck

sorry. sometimes i gotta put a check in it. didn't mean to be a bullhead. it's just that the answers to 99.9% of the questions you all have are written in the description of the pieces you are looking at. read. and if you don't understand, they have a messaging function there on ali express, and all you gotta do is send them a message and they will respond as soon as they are able. it's just like ebay, but only doing business in china with the chinese. believe me when i tell you they want to sell you these pieces. it's their livelihood. i don't know why they do the software they do. it isn't the chinese that are watering down the software, it isn't that they are stripping it down and making you buy more than one piece to make the full puzzle. these things were designed by bosch, and vetronix. they are manufactured to factory specifications as put forth by gm. if the software doesn't seem complete, it's not the chinese doing it,,,it's bosch and gm, and vetronix that did it. you gotta understand that those cards are only 32 meg. that isn't much, and doesn't hold that much software. thus said, if you read the decription of the piece you are looking at, it explains that you need to tell them what cars you will be working on with the item, and they will send you the proper card. it's as simple as that. no harder,,,and no mysteries. how much more complicated can it be?