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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:53 pm 
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Hey guys I have a 1992 Bonneville and I was wondering since they do not make pontiac anymore, do you think that the price of my car will go up in value in a few years or no? It has 79k miles on it


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I feel I have to ask a similar question. Has the value of Oldsmobile gone up since their demise? They were dumped in 2004.

So, look at values on the same cars, H bodies (LeSabre, Bonneville, 88) and C Bodies (Park Avenue, 98), as well as others, and see if you notice a pattern that comes with the Oldsmobile badge. That will likely give you your answer

My first thought is no, but admittedly, I have never done what I am asking you to do.

Even then, I don't think it would make a difference until many, many years down the line, if it ever will make a difference.

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 Post subject: Re: Pontiac
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I think with low mileage and nice condition it will eventually start to go back up, but I wouldn't expect it any time soon. It's still too modern of a nameplate. It's gonna have to be gone for a while.

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G8 prices are higher in relation to their counterparts - BC

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 Post subject: Re: Pontiac
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G8 prices are higher in relation to their counterparts - BC



Now that I think about it, price is driven by supply and demand. G8's fall in to this category. Because the production run was cut short, the supply is low, and the demand is high.

Same with any other car. When the demand starts to exceed the supply, that is when the price starts to shift up.

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RJolly87 wrote:
1oldman wrote:
G8 prices are higher in relation to their counterparts - BC



Now that I think about it, price is driven by supply and demand. G8's fall in to this category. Because the production run was cut short, the supply is low, and the demand is high.

Same with any other car. When the demand starts to exceed the supply, that is when the price starts to shift up.


Another good example is the '94 to '96 Impala SS - BC

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 Post subject: Re: Pontiac
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There are certain Pontiacs that are considered collectible for various reasons. There were only 1829 G8 GXP made so that is a very collectible car. Some of the 4th gen Firebirds are also collectible but mostly Trans Ams and those were 30th anniversary or other special editions. A 3.8 Firebird is not very collectible. The FWD Bonnevilles are not as popular with collectors except for some of the supercharged models or maybe low mileage 04-05 GXP (also due to low production) and maybe the 88-91 SSE. I do not think your car will go up in value over time. It has low mileage so just drive it and enjoy it.

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 Post subject: Re: Pontiac
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92 Bonne was never a desireable car, it was basic transportation to those who bought them. You'd have to wait 30 years for it to appreciate, and that's more likely to happen because of an inflation of scrap value...

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:withstupid: I agree. A 1992 Bonneville SE is not a car you buy as an investment. It's transportation. If you keep it in good shape, it can be comfortable transportation, but it's not an investment. If you want an investment, sell the car and put the money into an index fund. You'll do better than keeping it tied up in a 1992 Bonneville SE.

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Cars are so rarely a good investment. I certainly wouldn't bet on it, but I also suck at that game. The last sports car that I had doubled in value a year after I sold it.

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 Post subject: Re: Pontiac
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I've seen a few on CraigsList where people think a low mileage 03 SLE should bring in $10k....nothing special there. I did see a very low GXP for $10-12k that might have been worth it.

I don't see our cars going up in value, but hopefully they will hold their current value.

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 Post subject: Re: Pontiac
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I think a '92 SSEI would be more of a future collectible, but I may be biased. :D

Everything goes up in value and becomes recognised as a classic eventually, but in the case of our cars, that will probably take another decade or two yet.


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 Post subject: Re: Pontiac
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Everything goes up in value and becomes recognized as a classic eventually
—Citation needed at the very least, and respectfully, I simply disagree, and would state that the opposite is the case. I think there are actually a lot more things (and let's just stick to cars for the sake of argument) that totally do not go up in value and never become recognized as a classic. There are a few things that become recognized as classics, and there are very good and very bad choices if one is playing the game of cars as an investment.

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My bet is on GXPs and SSEis at some point. I had people say my Iroc-Z wasn't going to be a collector car. Anyone see what a low mileage Iroc is going for? 15-20k and more if a convertible. Wish I kept it now my 8k 40k mile Iroc would be worth double now

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Saturn Simon wrote:
Everything goes up in value and becomes recognized as a classic eventually
—Citation needed at the very least, and respectfully, I simply disagree, and would state that the opposite is the case. I think there are actually a lot more things (and let's just stick to cars for the sake of argument) that totally do not go up in value and never become recognized as a classic. There are a few things that become recognized as classics, and there are very good and very bad choices if one is playing the game of cars as an investment.


I agree buying a car purely as an investment is a bad idea, but I stand by what I said. I meant every car, not literally everything. :wink:

If you buy a car when it has depreciated to its lowest point of a few hundred pounds, or under $1000, it's not going to lose any more more money. It can only go up, although this can inevitably take a long time. It has to rise in value eventually as the vehicle in question becomes rarer and nostalgia starts to come into play. All cars go through an unloved 'old banger' stage where they are of little value, but eventually they come out of the other side and are appreciated as classics. They may not ever be worth a fortune, but will certainly rise from rock bottom.

Examples...
An example over here would be something like a '70s Hillman Hunter or Vauxhall Viva. In the '70s when they were new they were on every street corner and would have been considered boring family transport. In the '90s they were old bangers worth virtually nothing, even in good condition, and were disappearing from our roads rapidly. Now a tidy example of either will set you back about £2000. People of a certain age are nostalgic about them, and they are a reminder of another time. They are therefore prepared to pay good money for them. They may not be worth a fortune, but they are worth something, and are appreciated and welcomed with enthusiasm at classic car shows.

Here's a Hillman Superminx for £2000: http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C382815
and a Vauxhall Viva http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C406101

Some cars that were once common and unloved are now worth quite serious money. Fords have a serious following. Mk1 2-door Ford Escorts can now fetch thousands - not least because they can be turned into Escort Mexico (a performance variant) replicas, and are popular with the historic rallying crowd. Real Escort Mexicos fetch really serious money. They were cheap old bangers once too. Admittedly Escorts are an exceptional case though....

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A standard everyday Mk1 Escort for £8495: http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C397415
...and an original Escort Mexico for £23950: http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C405559

Perhaps its more true in the UK where there is probably more enthusiasm for old work-a-day cars generally, and there are fewer older cars on the road. '80s cars are very rare here now, and it's not so often you see cars of 20+ years old like my Bonneville.

All the same, I'm sure if you looked up the values of what were mundane, common American cars in the '60s, like AMC Ramblers, Ford Falcons, 6-pot Chevrolet Novas, Chevelles, Biscaynes, and Dodge Polara 4-door sedans you will find they are worth considerably more than $1000 now. They won't be worth an absolute fortune like a desirable muscle car, but will fetch a few thousand dollars now, whereas in the '80s and '90s they were pretty much worthless. Even big '70s sedans are becoming more fashionable now and are considered cool, whereas not long ago you couldn't give them away.

I'm sure base model, 6-cylinder 2-door Plymouth Belvederes are worth considerably more as they can be made into a convincing replica of a GTX. These were near-worthless once.

Therefore I think even old Bonneville SEs and the like will rise in value eventually, once they are old enough to evoke misty-eyed nostalgia among those whose parents used to drive one, or who learnt to drive in one, or people who had one as their first car and in 20 years from now may want to re-live their youth.

You guys might not agree, but I hope it is food for thought anyway. :)


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No. There are a few exceptions in modern Pontiac's, like G8's and perhaps even a Solstice and eventually you'll start seeing GTO's and Trans Ams start to command more used (GTO's have taken a huge hit on the chin in the past few years), but not a Bonneville. I know many here, have sentimental value attached to the car because we've owned/loved/hated one currently or at one point in time, and this being a Bonneville board. But at the end of the day, it is is a cookie cutter, FWD, GM corporate vehicle, powered by a GM corporate engine (now anyway), that was really nothing more than "badge engineered".

That doesn't take away from the fact that they're good, solid, reliable, and safe vehicles, but collectibility value, which tends to drives a large portion of their value (in addition to supply and demand), it ain't happening. If anything, it'll just be the values leveling off more than anything.

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An Olds Eighy-Eight generally brings less than a comparable LeSabre. This was true even when they were still rolling off the line. I bought a '94 Olds Eighty-Eight LSS (the first of three LSS's I've owned) at a Buick dealership in the summer of 1999. They were wholesaling it with 14,000 miles on it because it had sat on the lot for six months. The salesman said a waiting list for low mileage LeSabres, but no takers for the Olds, even with that low mileage.

Oh well, my gain.


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I feel I have to ask a similar question. Has the value of Oldsmobile gone up since their demise? They were dumped in 2004.

So, look at values on the same cars, H bodies (LeSabre, Bonneville, 88) and C Bodies (Park Avenue, 98), as well as others, and see if you notice a pattern that comes with the Oldsmobile badge. That will likely give you your answer

My first thought is no, but admittedly, I have never done what I am asking you to do.

Even then, I don't think it would make a difference until many, many years down the line, if it ever will make a difference.

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American cars of the 60's, 70's and especially 80's to mid ninety's had terrible corrosion problems. GM had a 2 year no rust >through< warranty and still had to pay out for it. No doubt a good part of the reason for the imports success. Cars starting in the mid nineties are going to have a lot smaller attrition rate. Smog motors also kept people from wanting to have anything to do with them. Hard to get a warm fuzzy feeling about something that rusts, guzzles gas while having no power. Any wonder no one wanted to keep them.

The rarity is a bit like the salvaging of WWII made things of that era rare.


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Value is a goofy thing though. Just because the price in dollars increases, it doesn't mean there is more value. Inflation can make the car worth more dollars, but in perspective, the overall value is the same.

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There are a lot of 1980's cars (GM only of course), particularly Pontiac's that are worth a pack of Marlboro's now, but if in great shape, I would pay the equivalent of a whole case of Marlboro's because those are the cars I grew up with and regardless of anemic performance credentials, I have a soft spot for. I think the thing I liked about Pontiac's besides styling was the interiors, gadgets and gizmos they always had over lesser Old's/Buick's.

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