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razr89a
PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:07 pm 
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I've been wondering if...at all any..there is a difference between those two years of SSEi's?
Or is it just the same? :banana:

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1 year difference :wink:

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razr89a
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so Pontiac didn't even change 1 thing in it?

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Don't fool yourself, they changed plenty. It's usually the smallest and minute things that changed though. Like more tables in the pcm. Slightly more aggressive timing and shifting. Differences were typically not noticeable to the average person glancing at the cars.

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razr89a
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cool thanks billboost

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I believe that's when they changed to the no-post throttle body, as well...

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also, no paper gasket in the thermostat housing in the 99.

These are all engine/wiring/computer differences. Are there any external visual keys to tell the difference? Not that I know of.

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petraman wrote:
I believe that's when they changed to the no-post throttle body, as well...


The 98 had a no post, I rebuilt a 98 TB a few months ago. Also I think some fasteners may have changed like going from 1/2 inch to 12 mm. They changed the detent cable clips in 99 and they also changed FPR's IIRC.

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english please! :mrgreen:

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english please! :mrgreen:

Techspeak is mostly covered in TechInfo. http://www.pontiacbonnevilleclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=1662
TB = Throttle Body.
FPR wasn't on the list, but I'd go with Fuel Pressure Regulator.

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TB=Throttle body
FPR= Fuel Pressure Regulator

sorry about that, its a force of habit to abbreviate everything on here. :bow:

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99 had the option of OnStar. I think that was the first year it was offered in a Bonneville.

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Was the 99 engine pretty much identical to the 2000 (minus motor mounts)?

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The 98-03 motors are basically identical if you strip off the mounts and accessories. Although in the L36's stovepipe diameter was being changed.

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BillBoost37 wrote:
The 98-03 motors are basically identical if you strip off the mounts and accessories. Although in the L36's stovepipe diameter was being changed.


in 99+, specifically

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petraman wrote:
I believe that's when they changed to the no-post throttle body, as well...


The 98 had a no post, I rebuilt a 98 TB a few months ago. Also I think some fasteners may have changed like going from 1/2 inch to 12 mm. They changed the detent cable clips in 99 and they also changed FPR's IIRC.


Actually, the post must have been a mid-year change, because my 98 Park Ave Ultra has the post, as have several 98 Bonnies and a couple Rivs found in junkyards. I'm pretty sure I'd find the same split across the entire Series 2 L67 line-up.

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98 is the bad year you have the post TB L36 and L67 the bad air cleaner and the big egr tube on the L36 that melt the upper and there something better in the tanny after 99 but donT remenber

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