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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 5:26 pm 
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Does anyone even know of such a thing? My eyes and hands are killing me looking for one, so my question is, is there even one made/available? I want to close up my silencer ports on the m62 and from what I found out, the best way to prevent any damage to the engine if any bits break loose they will just sit on the intercooler. I know they make IC's for m90 and m112 but I've got the gen I engine and I would have to get a bigger intake manifold which is a waaay huge pain in the butt, so anyone got any ideas? Thanks in advance

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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 5:36 pm 
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Yea I read that post, he is the only one I was able to find that has one
Does anyone have any suggestions on what to have the ports sealed with? I've herd horror stories about JB welds breaking loose, others have suggested some kind of apoxy, which would be a safer bet, having sheet metal tacked into place or some other method of sealing them besides JB or should I just have the S/C ported?

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The only true way to fill them is to have them welded up by a welder who knows what the heck they're doing, then cleaned up and inspected to make sure the rotors aren't going to contact the welded patch.

Honestly, the M62 screams enough, especially for a daily driver. If you filled the ports it would likely be annoying more than cool. I don't believe anyone's done it on a L67, at least not that I've seen on the forums.

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Yep no intercooler for the Series I. It would be custom made. i actually do have my M62 silencer ports blocked, but only by an expertly engineered and machined plate.

Fortunately, it is the opposite of annoying with a 2.5" pulley and lots of other mods ;) .

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speaking of WillWren's intercooler, a friend and I are trying replicate his setup for our 2 S1's, does anyone know or have links to either contact him (haven't seen recent posts from him in years) or find out what he used for a core in the LIM? in all my reading on his posts, that's the one thing I have yet to see him mention. I know it was modified from it's original design, but I don't know what he started with...
any help would be greatly appreciated... I know after all was said and done, he said that it worked exceptionally well, and we are hitting a wall with our builds, we need to IC to go with any smaller pullies, and we don't want to go with NOS or Meth or some other spray system that would need to be refilled regularly, we want something that will work full time without issues...
any assistance is greatly appreciated...


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I vaguely remember something about a Ford Probe or a Mazda something.

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If you plan to replicate his setup, please also take note of his lessons learned.

One of his largest complaints was that of the power characteristics of the engine. Series 1 is notorious for very heavy low end torque, which is greatly amplified when the mods start going in, to the point of being downright destructive to drivetrain mounts, transmission, and differential.

A custom cam may be worth considering if you want to stay with Series 1.

Remember, Willwren only ever bested a 14.2 in the 1/4 mile, even on slicks. He was very good at breaking things.

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RJolly87 wrote:
If you plan to replicate his setup, please also take note of his lessons learned.

One of his largest complaints was that of the power characteristics of the engine. Series 1 is notorious for very heavy low end torque, which is greatly amplified when the mods start going in, to the point of being downright destructive to drivetrain mounts, transmission, and differential.

A custom cam may be worth considering if you want to stay with Series 1.

Remember, Willwren only ever bested a 14.2 in the 1/4 mile, even on slicks. He was very good at breaking things.



yah, I remember reading fairly regularly how he kept breaking mounts and/or driveline, lol... good advice... tho the torque curve of the S1 is one of the main reasons I like them so much. I am planning to have an F40 6-spd behind it in the long run, so cruising between 15 and 1800rpm will make good use of that torque to hopefully stay over 30mpg, even with substantial mods.
also, just to note, this engine is not in a Bonne anymore, it is a swap into an 85 Fiero with the factory 4-spd manual transmission (for now), with custom built headers (under construction, based on the S1 front manifolds) and true dual exhaust (2 1/4" for now, but will upgrade to 2.5" later if the mods exceed the current design capabilities. unless I can come up with an intercooler setup, the power isn't going to be more than the 2 1/4 can handle) and open flowing bottle mufflers. right now I'm just trying to work the bugs out of the swap, it's still not complete and the engine only runs if I bottle feed it. once I get it running on it's own, then I plan to drop the cradle and fix the original builder's mistakes (engine sits at wrong angle, mounts have to be modified, and the current exhaust will be removed, as they were trying to pipe both sides thru the original Fiero 2" muffler system), plus I need to figure out how to hook the engine into the cooling system, and make the shifter cables work around the bigger engine. still lots to do, but I'd like to get started on the IC as soon as possible, as I know it will take time and money to construct, neither of which I have in sufficient supply right now, lol...

A custom cam is already under consideration. my partner had one done for his old car that seemed to work pretty well, including bigger rockers (376whp, according to his dyno specs), but unfortunately he let the car go and it ended up in a wrecker some distance away from him. to our knowledge it's already gone to the crusher before we actually decided to team up long distance to try again. I know he was looking into trying to track down the information as to where he got the cam done and what the specs were, not sure if he's found any info yet or not, we haven't discussed it in a while.
but in my case, with the mounts already being custom built, and the car being 1000lbs lighter than a Bonneville, and my engine being on a 4pt mounting system, I should (hopefully) have less issues than WillWren did, lol. I know my tranny should hold up to the extra power with no issues, if the clutch goes, it's not a big deal to upgrade to something bigger, and axles I have sources to have heavier duty ones built if I start breaking them too often...

one other thing I will say is that the engine is a 92 with about 65,000km, but I have a 95 blower/TB for it, as well as I am in the process of upgrading from the 92 PCM to a 94 SSEi PCM I got from a wreckers a couple months ago (both to match up with the updated blower, and to hopefully correct the no fuel issue I'm currently having)


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J Wikoff wrote:
I vaguely remember something about a Ford Probe or a Mazda something.


isn't that what people were using for the S2's?
I know looking at the pics on some of his posts, it almost looks more like an oil cooler than a heater core...


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Maybe? It's been a while.

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2009 G8 GT - Sport Red Metallic, loaded, SOLO Axlebacks, Rotofab Intake, Tuned, autodim Trailblazer mirror, removed intake manifold cover, HSV GTS triple gauge pod, two tone red-hot shifter and HSV SuperSport steering wheel, GXP rear sway bar and diffuser


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yah, for sure... what ever happened to WillWren anyways? does anyone know? all I know is that his posts stopped a few years ago... is he OK? did something happen to him, or did he just get out of 3800 stuff for some reason?


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Life got in the way. He used to spend a ton of his time on here. I don't think the balance was working.

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15.090 at 90.2 MPH on old engine w/ slipping trans & melted O2 sensor - Gen 3 M62 and matching TB, Gen 2 Pully, Zillamotorsports Ported LIM, YT 1.72 Roller Rockers, SII FPR & Injectors, Easy Performance Gen 3 Air/Fuel Calibrator, Hypertech Thermomaster chip w/ 160 Thermo, TransGo Shift Kit, Infinity/Pioneer Speakers and 10" Subs, 1300 watts, 140 amp Alternator, Ricepipe CAI w/ heatshield, Pilot Angel Eye Foglights, Clear Corners, '02 17" Chrome Bent 5's, Magnaflow F-Body Muffler and Hi-flo Cat, McCoy Motorsports Ceramic Coated Ported Exhaust Manifolds, Fan Override, PowerSlot Slotted Rotors.
2009 G8 GT - Sport Red Metallic, loaded, SOLO Axlebacks, Rotofab Intake, Tuned, autodim Trailblazer mirror, removed intake manifold cover, HSV GTS triple gauge pod, two tone red-hot shifter and HSV SuperSport steering wheel, GXP rear sway bar and diffuser


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ah, OK... yah, like you say, he used to be online seemingly all the time, I just wondered if something happened to him... I think I tried PM'ing him some time ago on one of the forums, but got no response...


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