I just noticed no one else has went with the 55w fog lights, but that is what ddm suggested. Looks like I will be the test dummy. I hope it wasn't just a sales pitch because it cost 25$ more.

Read this before you proceed with your low beam HID kit, specifically the Plug and Play HID kit section: detailing-appearance/topic22004.html

I went with 35W fogs. They're still brighter than the 55W H3 halogens, and I suspect that running a 55W HID setup in the H3 projector will exceed the capabilities of the stock projector, creating glare.

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91 Honda Civic Wagon DX 2WD (fuelly) -- 208,000km -- 92hp -- Autocross Warrior
09 Lexus LS460 AWD -- 94,000km -- Daily Driver
09 White Hot G8 GT -- 155,000km (fuelly) -- LS3 Cam -- GM LS3 CNC Ported Heads -- Kooks 1 3/4" Long Tube Headers -- Solo Catback Midsection -- Hooker Maxflow Mufflers -- Pat G Tune -- Rotofab Intake -- Tein S-Tech Springs -- GXP FE3 Dampers -- BMR Subframe Cradle Inserts -- BMR Subframe Connectors -- Forgestar F14 Gold 18x9 +40 -- Michelin Pilot Super Sport 245/45/18 -- Maverick Man Carbon Fiber Spoiler

DDM checked the specs on the car and said it will not exceed and recommended the 55w. What will I have glare on? Fog lights are aimed pretty low so I don't think glare off of road signs will b a problem. I'm an electrician and I install a lot of outdoor HID lights but this is a first for auto HIDs. I did read ur articles so what are u running for fogs and low beams?

That's why you go with 100w H3's. :p

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2004 Pontiac Bonneville GXP: Black/Ebony *SOLD*

Summer Toys: Combined 827 RWHP / 877lb/ft RWTQ
2004 Pontiac GTO: Impulse Blue Metallic/Black/M6: lots 'o mods, 415 RWHP / 405lb/ft RWTQ!
2006 Cadillac STS-V: Light Platinum Metallic/Light Gray/A6 - Spectre CAI, Magnaflow exhaust, Speed Inc. tune, 412 RWHP / 472lb/ft RWTQ

Daily Drivers:
2019 Chrysler Pacifica Limited: Mommy's new RGC
2015 Chrysler Town & Country Limited Platinum: Kids new RGC
2007 Chrysler Town & Country Limited: Sold to neighbor
2009 Pontiac G8 GT: L76, Sport Red Metallic
2003 Chevrolet Suburban 2500: Doeskin Tan - 8.1L Big Block... new plow truck
1999 Chevrolet Suburban: Sunset Gold Metallic - Daddy's winter beater and plow truck

It's not the aim, but rather the limitations of what the projector lens can handle, which will cause glare. I can't say for sure, it's definitely conjecture at this point, as I run a 35W (3000K) system on my fogs. Even then, they are considerably brighter than the stock H3 55W halogen bulb.

For low beams, I have done a full projector swap with the Morimoto Mini retrofit kit from The Retrofit Source. It was a lot of work, but I am 100% glare free and I have actually improved headlight performance. Simple plug and play HID kits in your low beam slot will be "brighter", but this is misleading as the extra light is scattered. This blinds oncoming traffic and reduces visibility, especially in inclement weather. I hadn't seen a 2000+ in the wild that had plug and play HID's until recently, when I was blinded by a 2000+ SE. Lots of people suggest to aim your lights down - but then you're defeating the purpose of a lighting upgrade. You're light the road only with nasty glare, you're messing up your eyes in terms of long distance night vision with a big blob of light at right in front of your bumper, and you're still going to blind oncoming traffic to an extent. Lose lose lose situation.

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Jerry /// Past: 95 SSEi (June 2010 COTM) -- 04 GXP (July 2011 COTM)
91 Honda Civic Wagon DX 2WD (fuelly) -- 208,000km -- 92hp -- Autocross Warrior
09 Lexus LS460 AWD -- 94,000km -- Daily Driver
09 White Hot G8 GT -- 155,000km (fuelly) -- LS3 Cam -- GM LS3 CNC Ported Heads -- Kooks 1 3/4" Long Tube Headers -- Solo Catback Midsection -- Hooker Maxflow Mufflers -- Pat G Tune -- Rotofab Intake -- Tein S-Tech Springs -- GXP FE3 Dampers -- BMR Subframe Cradle Inserts -- BMR Subframe Connectors -- Forgestar F14 Gold 18x9 +40 -- Michelin Pilot Super Sport 245/45/18 -- Maverick Man Carbon Fiber Spoiler

Will u post some pics?

Look here: your-ride-pics-and-videos/topic26032.html
and here: detailing-appearance/topic25703.html

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Jerry /// Past: 95 SSEi (June 2010 COTM) -- 04 GXP (July 2011 COTM)
91 Honda Civic Wagon DX 2WD (fuelly) -- 208,000km -- 92hp -- Autocross Warrior
09 Lexus LS460 AWD -- 94,000km -- Daily Driver
09 White Hot G8 GT -- 155,000km (fuelly) -- LS3 Cam -- GM LS3 CNC Ported Heads -- Kooks 1 3/4" Long Tube Headers -- Solo Catback Midsection -- Hooker Maxflow Mufflers -- Pat G Tune -- Rotofab Intake -- Tein S-Tech Springs -- GXP FE3 Dampers -- BMR Subframe Cradle Inserts -- BMR Subframe Connectors -- Forgestar F14 Gold 18x9 +40 -- Michelin Pilot Super Sport 245/45/18 -- Maverick Man Carbon Fiber Spoiler

Thanks for the pics . I will just have to see how bad mine turn out and then decide if I want to spend the extra dough to get the rest of the kit.

Has anyone tried Led fog and or low beams? If so what are the pros and cons

I don't think LED's would function well in the projector, and I'm not well-informed on the light output versus halogens.

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In my line of work LEDs are the next big thing. They put out a ton if light with very small amount of power use. I just haven't heard much about LED head lights.

Most of the European Manufactures are using LED's for Headlights. Audi and Mercedes to name a few. The problem is that they are specifically designed housings made for the LED.

There is no LED plug and play that will provide sufficient lighting

The 2013 Honda Accord is doing this as well in the upper trim levels. I wouldn't be surprised is somebody somewhere has ordered a set and is hacking it up to adapt to other cars. That's the only approach I can think of!

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Jerry /// Past: 95 SSEi (June 2010 COTM) -- 04 GXP (July 2011 COTM)
91 Honda Civic Wagon DX 2WD (fuelly) -- 208,000km -- 92hp -- Autocross Warrior
09 Lexus LS460 AWD -- 94,000km -- Daily Driver
09 White Hot G8 GT -- 155,000km (fuelly) -- LS3 Cam -- GM LS3 CNC Ported Heads -- Kooks 1 3/4" Long Tube Headers -- Solo Catback Midsection -- Hooker Maxflow Mufflers -- Pat G Tune -- Rotofab Intake -- Tein S-Tech Springs -- GXP FE3 Dampers -- BMR Subframe Cradle Inserts -- BMR Subframe Connectors -- Forgestar F14 Gold 18x9 +40 -- Michelin Pilot Super Sport 245/45/18 -- Maverick Man Carbon Fiber Spoiler

The problem with LED's is that they are a very focused light. Tighter then say a pencil beam regular light. SO in order to add the sufficient level of outword visibility, you either need a massive LED, or a ton of them (as evidenced on so many cars now that have them as running lighting). And I don't know how that would work in the projector style housing of the fog lights on this car, as previously mentioned.

I predicted LED lighting back when I was a kid in the 80's. I don't know why it's taken so long for adaptation. I even remember dreaming of my own car, designed with LED lighting all around... Look how that has come to fruitition...

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Retired Bonneville Owner and former GM Tech:
2004 Pontiac Bonneville GXP: Black/Ebony *SOLD*

Summer Toys: Combined 827 RWHP / 877lb/ft RWTQ
2004 Pontiac GTO: Impulse Blue Metallic/Black/M6: lots 'o mods, 415 RWHP / 405lb/ft RWTQ!
2006 Cadillac STS-V: Light Platinum Metallic/Light Gray/A6 - Spectre CAI, Magnaflow exhaust, Speed Inc. tune, 412 RWHP / 472lb/ft RWTQ

Daily Drivers:
2019 Chrysler Pacifica Limited: Mommy's new RGC
2015 Chrysler Town & Country Limited Platinum: Kids new RGC
2007 Chrysler Town & Country Limited: Sold to neighbor
2009 Pontiac G8 GT: L76, Sport Red Metallic
2003 Chevrolet Suburban 2500: Doeskin Tan - 8.1L Big Block... new plow truck
1999 Chevrolet Suburban: Sunset Gold Metallic - Daddy's winter beater and plow truck

Argue them to give you your cut!

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"Penelope" - 2003 SLE - 247k Miles
"Sydney" - 2000 Honda S2000 - 98k miles

Do I need to aim my headlights down a little after HID install?

Looks like my fog and head light issue is taken care of, thanks guys now on to my next problem. Which will be low coolant sensor and irratic gas gauge.

as I said previously with regards to the low beams:



It's your call if you want to aim them down. You will have issues regardless.

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Jerry /// Past: 95 SSEi (June 2010 COTM) -- 04 GXP (July 2011 COTM)
91 Honda Civic Wagon DX 2WD (fuelly) -- 208,000km -- 92hp -- Autocross Warrior
09 Lexus LS460 AWD -- 94,000km -- Daily Driver
09 White Hot G8 GT -- 155,000km (fuelly) -- LS3 Cam -- GM LS3 CNC Ported Heads -- Kooks 1 3/4" Long Tube Headers -- Solo Catback Midsection -- Hooker Maxflow Mufflers -- Pat G Tune -- Rotofab Intake -- Tein S-Tech Springs -- GXP FE3 Dampers -- BMR Subframe Cradle Inserts -- BMR Subframe Connectors -- Forgestar F14 Gold 18x9 +40 -- Michelin Pilot Super Sport 245/45/18 -- Maverick Man Carbon Fiber Spoiler

I'm really impressed with the projector fog light on the Torrent.
Much better than the Bonneville's with Silverstars.

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2000 SSEi - SilverBullet - 78,000 kms, 4" "straight shot" custom headlight ram air inlet, TOGs, 1.9's, Lsd, 2.9-3.4"MPS 10-15 psi, Ported GenV, EGR eliminated, OR pushrods, oil volume kit, trani cooler & shift kit, Titanium retainers, 90 lb springs, 160 Stat, 42# injectors, Fuel pump voltage increase, Wideband O2, 3" to dual 2 1/2" Magnaflows, Snow Meth/water injection, after SC temp gauge, 255/50WR17, timing commander set 15-18*@WOT, 2 speed Fan over-ride, disabled DRL, Solid motor mount, Meziere Electric water pump, adjustable fuel pressure regulator, Drilled & slotted rotors/ceramics, GXP sway bars and STB, Upgraded and rebuilt transmission with ZZP 2500 rpm stall TC, Pioneer Bluetooth stereo with sub and 800 W amps, PB 13.5 quarter, (April 2014 car of the month)

So Saturday, I'm leaving the small engine place here in Elgin that I ordered some parts at. Pull out on Larkin Ave. happen to pull out in front of a... Bonneville GXP in Greystone Metallic. For some reason, at 11:30am, on a bright sunny day, the driver had the fog lights on. And you'll never guess what... One of them was out. LOL.

Some little old lady too, as she went past me in the right turn lane.

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Retired Bonneville Owner and former GM Tech:
2004 Pontiac Bonneville GXP: Black/Ebony *SOLD*

Summer Toys: Combined 827 RWHP / 877lb/ft RWTQ
2004 Pontiac GTO: Impulse Blue Metallic/Black/M6: lots 'o mods, 415 RWHP / 405lb/ft RWTQ!
2006 Cadillac STS-V: Light Platinum Metallic/Light Gray/A6 - Spectre CAI, Magnaflow exhaust, Speed Inc. tune, 412 RWHP / 472lb/ft RWTQ

Daily Drivers:
2019 Chrysler Pacifica Limited: Mommy's new RGC
2015 Chrysler Town & Country Limited Platinum: Kids new RGC
2007 Chrysler Town & Country Limited: Sold to neighbor
2009 Pontiac G8 GT: L76, Sport Red Metallic
2003 Chevrolet Suburban 2500: Doeskin Tan - 8.1L Big Block... new plow truck
1999 Chevrolet Suburban: Sunset Gold Metallic - Daddy's winter beater and plow truck