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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:14 pm 
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after many many miles of fun my 00 ssei needs a torque converter it's my daily driver. i would like to get a stall converter but dont want to affect my everyday driving and gas milage. i know almost nothing about stall converters and the pros and cons can anyone help. what stall should i get? what exactly will i gain?

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 Post subject: Re: stall converter
PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:15 pm 
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first off, how do you know you need a new torque converter? It's not a particularly common failure.


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 Post subject: Re: stall converter
PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:29 pm 
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many shops and different mechanics including myself all agree that its going out, through trial and error.

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TRADED IN! 2008 G8 Ignition Orange Metallic LY7, 47k miles, Flowmasters, all options but sunroof.

SOLD! 2000 SSEI Black, 180 t-stat, autolite 104's, 3.4" MPS, custom M&D CAI, 1/8" phenolic S/C spacer, throttle body heat sheild, solid front mount, MSD wires, shift kit, 3rd brake light overlay, cleared headlights, tinted and cleared tails, 20% tint, Syntec, ARP license plate bolts Goodyear Eagle GT's,disabled DRL's, 8000k H.I.D's, pilot angel eye fogs

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 Post subject: Re: stall converter
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I've replaced basically everything else. lots of torque converter "dust" stuck to the magnet in the pan after only about 7,000 miles or so. shudder, sometimes doesn't lock up etc. etc.

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TRADED IN! 2008 G8 Ignition Orange Metallic LY7, 47k miles, Flowmasters, all options but sunroof.

SOLD! 2000 SSEI Black, 180 t-stat, autolite 104's, 3.4" MPS, custom M&D CAI, 1/8" phenolic S/C spacer, throttle body heat sheild, solid front mount, MSD wires, shift kit, 3rd brake light overlay, cleared headlights, tinted and cleared tails, 20% tint, Syntec, ARP license plate bolts Goodyear Eagle GT's,disabled DRL's, 8000k H.I.D's, pilot angel eye fogs

TRADED IN2004 GXP Black. 53,000mi.... drop in K&N filter, 5000k H.I.D. lows, 8000k H.I.D fogs, switchback 5000K turn signals. cleared headlights. 20% Tint.


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 Post subject: Re: stall converter
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bonneville dan-o wrote:
I've replaced basically everything else. lots of torque converter "dust" stuck to the magnet in the pan after only about 7,000 miles or so. shudder, sometimes doesn't lock up etc. etc.


Could be the diff as well.

I suggest a rebuild with stock parts with your current mods.

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 Post subject: Re: stall converter
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the plan is to do more mods while i have the engine out. headers, pcm and possibly a slightly smaller pulley. so does anyone know how the stall converter would affect the daily drivability and gas milage? i was thinking of getting a stall converter through zzperformance because form what i understand the torque converter still goes into lockup unlike the converter intense offers.

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SOLD! 2000 SSEI Black, 180 t-stat, autolite 104's, 3.4" MPS, custom M&D CAI, 1/8" phenolic S/C spacer, throttle body heat sheild, solid front mount, MSD wires, shift kit, 3rd brake light overlay, cleared headlights, tinted and cleared tails, 20% tint, Syntec, ARP license plate bolts Goodyear Eagle GT's,disabled DRL's, 8000k H.I.D's, pilot angel eye fogs

TRADED IN2004 GXP Black. 53,000mi.... drop in K&N filter, 5000k H.I.D. lows, 8000k H.I.D fogs, switchback 5000K turn signals. cleared headlights. 20% Tint.


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 Post subject: Re: stall converter
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From my discussions with various 3800 shops a stock torque converter is usually all you need. Unless your making a track only car I think a stock converter is fine.

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 Post subject: Re: stall converter
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but the problem is that i dont want a stock torque converter. i blew out mine and so did my friend with a park ave ultra.
so in my opinion they are not strong enough.. so does anyone know a good stall to get for a daily driver and what will it do to my gas milage. thats all i want to know.

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TRADED IN! 2008 G8 Ignition Orange Metallic LY7, 47k miles, Flowmasters, all options but sunroof.

SOLD! 2000 SSEI Black, 180 t-stat, autolite 104's, 3.4" MPS, custom M&D CAI, 1/8" phenolic S/C spacer, throttle body heat sheild, solid front mount, MSD wires, shift kit, 3rd brake light overlay, cleared headlights, tinted and cleared tails, 20% tint, Syntec, ARP license plate bolts Goodyear Eagle GT's,disabled DRL's, 8000k H.I.D's, pilot angel eye fogs

TRADED IN2004 GXP Black. 53,000mi.... drop in K&N filter, 5000k H.I.D. lows, 8000k H.I.D fogs, switchback 5000K turn signals. cleared headlights. 20% Tint.


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 Post subject: Re: stall converter
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 Post subject: Re: stall converter
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A higher stall converter is not stronger. Your converter stalls at about 1800 rpm, which is good for what the engine is and the power output. All a higher stall converter does is stalls at a different RPM to make better use of power. It's not stronger, it's different. You're not going to not have the TC go out because it's a different stall. It happens over time. Your TC went out because it was old and used, not because of the stall speed.

When you say dust in pan after 7k, does that mean your transmission was replaced 7k miles ago, or that the fluid was changed 7k miles ago? When my trans was rebuilt, they installed a re-manufactured TC in it. If they re-used your old one, that could be an issue.

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 Post subject: Re: stall converter
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the transmission was flushed 7k miles ago.

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 Post subject: Re: stall converter
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Ok, that's what I thought. Changing stall speed isn't going to gain you anything until you're making way more HP than you currently have or have planned.

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 Post subject: Re: stall converter
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ok thanks 00beast. you wouldnt happen to know where i could find a new oem converter besides a dealer would you?

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SOLD! 2000 SSEI Black, 180 t-stat, autolite 104's, 3.4" MPS, custom M&D CAI, 1/8" phenolic S/C spacer, throttle body heat sheild, solid front mount, MSD wires, shift kit, 3rd brake light overlay, cleared headlights, tinted and cleared tails, 20% tint, Syntec, ARP license plate bolts Goodyear Eagle GT's,disabled DRL's, 8000k H.I.D's, pilot angel eye fogs

TRADED IN2004 GXP Black. 53,000mi.... drop in K&N filter, 5000k H.I.D. lows, 8000k H.I.D fogs, switchback 5000K turn signals. cleared headlights. 20% Tint.


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 Post subject: Re: stall converter
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Stall speed has nothing to do with the amount of horsepower you have, but the rpms where you make your peak torque.

read here for more info:
http://www.summitracing.com/streetandst ... nt.asp?ID={7B20B3C7-AF72-42B3-9583-6BD43F224310}

check ebay for converters


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 Post subject: Re: stall converter
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bonneville dan-o wrote:
ok thanks 00beast. you wouldnt happen to know where i could find a new oem converter besides a dealer would you?

Any place that deals with transmissions will be able to get one for you.

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 Post subject: Re: stall converter
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okay thanks for the help.

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SOLD! 2000 SSEI Black, 180 t-stat, autolite 104's, 3.4" MPS, custom M&D CAI, 1/8" phenolic S/C spacer, throttle body heat sheild, solid front mount, MSD wires, shift kit, 3rd brake light overlay, cleared headlights, tinted and cleared tails, 20% tint, Syntec, ARP license plate bolts Goodyear Eagle GT's,disabled DRL's, 8000k H.I.D's, pilot angel eye fogs

TRADED IN2004 GXP Black. 53,000mi.... drop in K&N filter, 5000k H.I.D. lows, 8000k H.I.D fogs, switchback 5000K turn signals. cleared headlights. 20% Tint.


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