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 Post subject: Car won't crank
PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:20 pm 
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Last few days car would barely crank over, according to the scanner the alternator is putting out 13.5 volts (same as it's done since I've owned it). I suspected the battery since it looks like it's getting old, so I bought a new one. I installed it at the store and car started, barely.

After I got the car home and shut it off, I tried to restart it but no luck, it won't turn over, I can here it trying, but it won't go.

Battery cables inspected, no corrosion.

Grounds removed, cleaned and reinstalled. No joy.

Scanner says battery has 11.7 volts. I've got the battery charger on there right now to see if that will make a difference.

How difficult is it to remove the starter? I'm guessing that's my next best bet.

What starters will fit? Buick? any 3800?

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Darn it John...now you got me thinking mine's not big enough.

2001 F150 a basic six cyl with 5 speed manual trans.
'66 Piper Cherokee 360 CID , 180 hp, 155 mph @ 2500 rpm, drop in K&N filter.


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 Post subject: Re: Car won't crank
PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:40 pm 
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Sounds like the starter to me.

It was easy to change the 94 starter with the engine out. Only two bolts.
Disconn. Battery.
Disconn. starter wires.
Undo the motor side bolt first, then the other one and drop straight down.

I brought the starter to an electrical shop and they rebuilt it for $100. complete with new solenoid.

Had to do the same with the Trans Am starter. Sure works good after the rebuild.

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 Post subject: Re: Car won't crank
PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:52 pm 
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Thanks Paul. Now that my truck is back in the yard I'll try to jump start the car and see if that will help any. If that don't work, I guess I'll have to jack it up and get dirty.

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Darn it John...now you got me thinking mine's not big enough.

2001 F150 a basic six cyl with 5 speed manual trans.
'66 Piper Cherokee 360 CID , 180 hp, 155 mph @ 2500 rpm, drop in K&N filter.


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 Post subject: Re: Car won't crank
PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:56 pm 
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Oh god.. it sounds like your 94 is going down the same road mine did.. look were it ended up(well is going to end up)

Good luck,

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 Post subject: Re: Car won't crank
PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:09 pm 
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Starter is out, not an easy job.

What is that plastic piece doing there covering the bolts anyway? Couldn't remove it so I had to chip a piece out from around the bolts so I could get a wrench on them.

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Darn it John...now you got me thinking mine's not big enough.

2001 F150 a basic six cyl with 5 speed manual trans.
'66 Piper Cherokee 360 CID , 180 hp, 155 mph @ 2500 rpm, drop in K&N filter.


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 Post subject: Re: Car won't crank
PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:15 pm 
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Ya John, keep your eyes open for a good 96 (or 97) SSEi. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Car won't crank
PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:18 pm 
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The plastic piece should just pull off if it's the one i'm thinking about.

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Ya John, keep your eyes open for a good 96 (or 97) SSEi. :wink:

Make sure it's the same color as yours too. (white)

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 Post subject: Re: Car won't crank
PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:22 pm 
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[-X .....did you forget about your Service Manual?

I had to take that plastic cover off to access the TC flywheel bolts. Ya, I broke it too, but not on purpose. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Car won't crank
PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:34 pm 
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Took the starter to the local "starter and alternator" rebuild place. He bench tested it and pronounced it officially dead.

He had an overhauld starter on the shelf for $80 plus tax. 2 year warranty.

Now to go out and get dirty again before it starts to rain.

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Darn it John...now you got me thinking mine's not big enough.

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'66 Piper Cherokee 360 CID , 180 hp, 155 mph @ 2500 rpm, drop in K&N filter.


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 Post subject: Re: Car won't crank
PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:53 pm 
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Too late.........I bet he's pretty wet right now.
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Glad you got it fixed John.

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 Post subject: Re: Car won't crank
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It's not raining here but he is in victoria so...

Hopefully he can get it fixed by the weekend lol.

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 Post subject: Re: Car won't crank
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It's in and working. :banana: :banana:

Just putting tools away and it started to rain. :booty:

Wife reminded me of how lucky I was. She wanted me to stop and get some groceries on the way home, but I forgot. I could have been stuck in town without any tools.

Worse yet, it could have waited until next weekend and crapped out in Seattle. :beerchug:

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Darn it John...now you got me thinking mine's not big enough.

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'66 Piper Cherokee 360 CID , 180 hp, 155 mph @ 2500 rpm, drop in K&N filter.


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 Post subject: Re: Car won't crank
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Worse yet, it could have waited until next weekend and crapped out in Seattle. :beerchug:


We would have saved ya. :helpsmilie:


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 Post subject: Re: Car won't crank
PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:48 pm 
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Hey John, that's the kind of bet I don't mind losing. :banana:

Glad you gotter done in time!
In time for Margaret, in time for the rain, in time for the Seattle Meet. :beerchug:

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