Yeah, it's freezing rain out today. And the '93 SE decides that it doesn't want to start.

Security light does the bulb check, then stays off. Won't crank. I have an aftermarket theft deterrent system, and the +12v from the ignition switch is hot there. I can't get to the starter enable relay (because they never go bad, right?) but I checked at the P/N switch and it's not getting to that point.

I hotwired the starter motor, it started and died. So both the starter relay and the fuel relay are bad at the same time? No.

Does the VATS module go bad like that, without illuminating the dash light? I hate VATS now.

_________________
Boost addict


The Fleet:
'93 SSEi - Twincharged + manual Build thread
'97 Camaro - Top swap
'05 STS - V8, AWD, her DD
'92 Trofeo - Fair weather DD
'99 Montana - top swap 3800
'04 Sierra 2500HD - LLY Duramax

Current project:
Something cool, trust me.

Upcoming projects:
'92 Bonneville SSE
'87 LeSabre T-type
'67 LeSabre

Gone to greener pastures:
'84 Sierra Classic - Twin turbo 3800
'97 LeSabre - Top swap

RIP:
'86 LeSabre - pictures
'93 SE - L67

Most likely the VATS is fine. Dont hate it.

Does your theft system include a remote starter?
When your talking about the starter disable relay are you talking about the aftermarket one?

_________________
1989 Pontiac Firebird Formula 350
2004 Saturn Ion 3 Quad Coupe

No, all the aftermarket stuff is in between the VATS starter enable relay and the ignition switch. That was the first thing I checked after the battery connections. The aftermarket unit does not have a remote start. All the aftermarket relays are working. I get +12v into the VATS starter relay and nothing at the P/N switch. I do hear a relay up behind the gauge cluster near the windshield clicking when I turn the key.

_________________
Boost addict


The Fleet:
'93 SSEi - Twincharged + manual Build thread
'97 Camaro - Top swap
'05 STS - V8, AWD, her DD
'92 Trofeo - Fair weather DD
'99 Montana - top swap 3800
'04 Sierra 2500HD - LLY Duramax

Current project:
Something cool, trust me.

Upcoming projects:
'92 Bonneville SSE
'87 LeSabre T-type
'67 LeSabre

Gone to greener pastures:
'84 Sierra Classic - Twin turbo 3800
'97 LeSabre - Top swap

RIP:
'86 LeSabre - pictures
'93 SE - L67

This car is such a troll...

Bypassed VATS with a signal generator, only to find the starter now has a problem with the brushes (even though it didn't when I hotwired it). 3 hours of freezing rain later, it's finally fixed.

_________________
Boost addict


The Fleet:
'93 SSEi - Twincharged + manual Build thread
'97 Camaro - Top swap
'05 STS - V8, AWD, her DD
'92 Trofeo - Fair weather DD
'99 Montana - top swap 3800
'04 Sierra 2500HD - LLY Duramax

Current project:
Something cool, trust me.

Upcoming projects:
'92 Bonneville SSE
'87 LeSabre T-type
'67 LeSabre

Gone to greener pastures:
'84 Sierra Classic - Twin turbo 3800
'97 LeSabre - Top swap

RIP:
'86 LeSabre - pictures
'93 SE - L67

Glad you got that fixed... I smoked my starter a couple of years ago... I was amazed it even started the car...

So it had a gear reduction starter motor. Is there a source for brushes/bearings/parts for those? I could use the one from the LeSabre that was broke in the accident as a parts donor, but I'd rather rebuild this one with new parts.

_________________
Boost addict


The Fleet:
'93 SSEi - Twincharged + manual Build thread
'97 Camaro - Top swap
'05 STS - V8, AWD, her DD
'92 Trofeo - Fair weather DD
'99 Montana - top swap 3800
'04 Sierra 2500HD - LLY Duramax

Current project:
Something cool, trust me.

Upcoming projects:
'92 Bonneville SSE
'87 LeSabre T-type
'67 LeSabre

Gone to greener pastures:
'84 Sierra Classic - Twin turbo 3800
'97 LeSabre - Top swap

RIP:
'86 LeSabre - pictures
'93 SE - L67

Matt That one I don't have an answer to... I have never sen a rebuild kit for one... But they have to be out there some place..