This is regarding the 1994 SSEi. I have seen the series 3 block being put into the series 2 cars and just swapping the top end.

Would this work for series 1 too? Or is it a completely different animal?

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1999 GMC Suburban SLT-191k
2005 Escalade 253k-GINA

No, the deck-height is different on the two.

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Ok. thanks I figured it wouldn't work but just had to ask since the series 3's are cheaper than any series 1 or 2 around here

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1999 GMC Suburban SLT-191k
2005 Escalade 253k-GINA

You could do a L26 with a 95 L36 wiring harness, L36 UIM/TB/MAF, passenger side engine mount, throttle cables, A/C bracket and lines, and a custom eprom with the correct shift tables for your trans.

My car was a S1 supercharged car and I put a L36 in it.

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Sounds like too much work. I was just wondering if it would be as easy as putting the series 3 into a series 2 car. I'm looking for a near direct swap if I did do it.

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1997.2 40th SLE-138k
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1999 GMC Suburban SLT-191k
2005 Escalade 253k-GINA

Yeah, it's not that simple.

Mike, I didn't know that about your car, lol. So you have the 4T60E-HD and all that still?

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IMO its not much more work over swapping from a S2 to a S3.

That swap would need all the brackets swapped over, engine harness, a TB adapter or something to deal with the DBW TB, custom tune, etc.


Edit - yep I ran it with the 60 hd trans. I just modified the transmisson tables in the L27 bin I was using to run my L36. The car never saw a mini afc or anything since I do all the tuning.

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97 BMW 528i
98 Infiniti vq35'd i30: 13.3@104mph, 30MPG Hwy (RIP)
02 Jag X-type
03 BMW M5
05 Chevy Cobalt LS
07 Infiniti G35s 6MT (Sold)
07 Ducati Monster S2R 800 with DS1000 swap
83 Yamaha IT175K
72 Yamaha DS7: '74 RD250 swap, JL chambers

Info on dropping a 92-99: Here.

When swapping a long block like he mentioned, there is nothing to do with the DBW or tuning. The top of the engine (manifolds, TB) gets swapped over. The long block is merely the heads Block and internals.

What most here have done is swapped over the L36 UIM and brackets. It's essentially a direct swap otherwise mike. Not a full conversion, just using the longblock, as they're a dime a dozen, known to not be subjected to coolant leaks, low miles and built better than L36's. The swap has been done multiple times on here, all with great results. Don even did it to his Van.

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Well, I have found a car with a series 1 L67 locally. Motor is junk. So I'm wondering what it would take to put a newer motor in it.

Was thinking of using an L32 with series 2 L67 top end.


But a more cost effective way might be an L26 with L36 top end.

Edit: I found this link.. http://pontiacbonnevilleclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=14321&p=150182&hilit=swapping+series+2+for+series+1#p150182

So what do you think? What is all involved with putting newer motor (it would really be series 2) into a series 1 car.


I guess I'm wondering with the reprogramming of PCM or that stuff, if anyone on here does that or knows where it can be done....
I don't really know much about that. Been doing plug and play stuff thus far.

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1968 Bonneville 400ci w/TH-400-40k
1999 GMC Suburban SLT-191k
2005 Escalade 253k-GINA

No Series II S/C was OBD I, so you'd have to convert the whole car to OBD II. It's not worth it unless you're very well versed in the wiring, etc...

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But after reading a little more.

Isn't there one exception here?

The 95 L36....Technically it's OBD 1.5 but...


Then I could pretty much do the same thing 95naSTA did? (Use an L26 bottom end with L36 top end)






Also, DUH! I forgot to mention the car is a 95 Riviera with series 1 L67. I am considering picking up if I can find something that will work for the drivetrain.


EDIT: Now that I think about I do have a practically brand new tranny sitting in the garage from the olds, a 4T60-E.
I wonder, if I used the 4T60-E tranny out of the 97 olds and then got an L26 bottom end with L36 top end.

Could I then be able to just get a 95 engine harness and PCM?

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1968 Bonneville 400ci w/TH-400-40k
1999 GMC Suburban SLT-191k
2005 Escalade 253k-GINA

I edited my post. There are no tables for the Series II S/C in any OBD I EPROM.

I feel like you're getting in way over your head bud...

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I don't know maybe it's just a hair brained idea. But according to the guy tho car is in "really good shape" but we'll see.


Did you see my edit? Do you think that would work?
I guess I don't have to have boost, if I had a drivetrain I knew for a fact was practically new.

Figured possibly using, the N/A motor and tranny maybe I could just find a stock wiring harness and PCM and use it?


Not looking for a huge headache but maybe a fun little project, IF the car is in as good of shape as the guy claims. Also, just more knowledge for the future what works with what and what you have to swap around.

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1997.2 40th SLE-138k
1968 Bonneville 400ci w/TH-400-40k
1999 GMC Suburban SLT-191k
2005 Escalade 253k-GINA

A 95 L36 swap is pretty easy and cheap even with the stock 4t60-hd. It just takes a trip to the wrecker and a reprogram from Ryan at gmtuners.

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95 SLE... a keeper. 241k miles. Low and Slow.
97 BMW 528i
98 Infiniti vq35'd i30: 13.3@104mph, 30MPG Hwy (RIP)
02 Jag X-type
03 BMW M5
05 Chevy Cobalt LS
07 Infiniti G35s 6MT (Sold)
07 Ducati Monster S2R 800 with DS1000 swap
83 Yamaha IT175K
72 Yamaha DS7: '74 RD250 swap, JL chambers

Info on dropping a 92-99: Here.