Never removed a 92-99 door panel before, but because of my passenger window having an issue sealing up, I need to take it apart and see if I can adjust the window in the regulator to try and get it to go up further.

Anyways...the previous owners attacked this car's interior with reckless abandon...nearly everything has at least one broken tab no longer holding something securely. I'm going to steal the majority of an interior out of another tan/camel 92-99 when I find one (might go to 92-95 door panels, I like the fuzzyness and design of them more)

I know of the one screw behind the handle accent on the top, but as to the rest of it, I really don't want to start yanking blindly...and I don't think it's as easy as the truck's was.

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John
Now: '15 Toyota Prius III | 134 hp 2ZR-FXE | Silver | 36k
Now: '03 Honda CR-V AWD | Slow 4-Cylinder | Dirt | 180k
Then: '07 Ford Fusion SEL | 221hp Gen I VVT Duratec 3.0 V6 | Tungsten Silver | 150k
Then: '99 Toyota Avalon XL | 200hp 1MZ-FE 3.0 V6 | Diamond White | 189k | Sold: July 2015
Then: '11 Ford Fusion SEL | 240hp Gen II VVT Duratec 3.0 V6 | Ingot Silver | 84k | Totaled: Oct 23 '14 (Rear-Ended)
Then: '96 Buick Park Avenue Ultra | 240hp Series II L67 | Medium Dark Lichen | Bought: JAN 11 @ 135k | Accident: FEB 3 '12 | Crushed: MAR 1 '13 @ 153K
Then: '98 Pontiac Bonneville SSE | 205hp Series II 3800 L36 | Topaz Firemist | Bought: NOV '09 @ 74k | Accident: MAY 28 '10 | Crushed: MAR 15 '11 @ 84k
Then: '93 Pontiac Bonneville SE | 170hp Series I 3800 L27 | Dark Yellow Green | Bought: JULY '07 @ 92k | Sold: JULY '12 @ 118k
Then: '89 Pontiac Bonneville LE | 165hp 3800 LN3 | Medium Garnet Red | Bought: JAN '05 @ 117k | Sold: SEP 30 '07 @ 152k

Screw behind the cover where the mirror adjuster is on the driver's side
Pop off the little cover behind the interior door handle, remove the screw behind that
Take out the light in the door, there is 1 or 2 (depending on the year) bolts behind it
Then I usually pop off the window/lock panel and unplug it to make it easier
I think thats everything, then theres the push pin things around the bottom and sides that you just pull out, once you get all those out push the door panel up and the black trim piece will pop out of where it slides into, the black trim Im talking about is the trim at the bottom of the window on the door panel; and it stays attached to the door panel. Then disconnect all the remaining wiring. Make sure when putting it back together that you line the black trim at the top up first and snap that in then worry about the push pin things

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2008 Aura - Totaled
Sold but never forgotten:
1998 Bonneville SE
1992 Bonneville SE

John... Stick with the 96-99 Door Panels... They are far more rigid and less prone to breaks and quirks..

Sounds like there are some things you need to fix in there huh..

Be careful with that black trim at the top of the door panel where it meets the window. Nearly every '92-'99 door panel that I've pulled that part has snapped. Half of the time they break and part of it stays on the door itself...sometimes the break won't be noticeable once the door panel is back on. Only once have I pulled a door panel off and it did not break. They should have been metal like the '00+ are.

Good Luck.

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'01 SSEi "Chloe" Mods: Intense FWI | GenV | WBS Intercooled | 3.2 MPS | 1.9 YT Rockers | SSAC Headers | N* TB | TEP Trans | 3.29 FDR | Torsen LSD
DTM Tuned | Dual AeroForce | Solid Mounts | 255 Walbro Pump | Fuel Logs | GXP STB & Sway Bars | CSS Lowering Springs | GXP Brakes | Disabled DRL
Magnaflow Mufflers | Magnaflow Cat | GXP Seats & Trim | 35 % Tint | Cleared & Tinted Tails | repinS Retrofited Morimoto Mini H1 | 19" GT500 Wheels
'09 G8 GT "Abigail" Mods: Rotofab | LS3 Heads, Intake & Cam | Kooks LT | Solo Exhaust | Tien Springs w/ GXP Struts | Whiteline Swaybars | BMR Subframe Connectors
Achievements: Guinevere - 264k mi | 16.27 @ 84.10mph | March '11 COTM :: Chloe - 223k mi | 13.85 @ 102mph | January '09 COTM :: Abigail - 192k mi | 12.85 @ 112mph

I'll keep that in mind Don.

Yeah..the car surprisingly has little or no squeaks/rattles for all the broken crap. Both of the inside door handle facias being broken are two of the most notable annoyances...but there's obviously more stuff broken...including that the front passenger door's speaker has a loose connection which crackles and comes on and off...

I'm sure hoping I can get that window to seal correctly.

I printed off some Alldata instructions for the door panel removal, seems very straightforward..but just wanted to verify that.

Might try to throw in some extra sound deadening while I've got the panel off...it seems like the panels lack a serious amount of it.

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John
Now: '15 Toyota Prius III | 134 hp 2ZR-FXE | Silver | 36k
Now: '03 Honda CR-V AWD | Slow 4-Cylinder | Dirt | 180k
Then: '07 Ford Fusion SEL | 221hp Gen I VVT Duratec 3.0 V6 | Tungsten Silver | 150k
Then: '99 Toyota Avalon XL | 200hp 1MZ-FE 3.0 V6 | Diamond White | 189k | Sold: July 2015
Then: '11 Ford Fusion SEL | 240hp Gen II VVT Duratec 3.0 V6 | Ingot Silver | 84k | Totaled: Oct 23 '14 (Rear-Ended)
Then: '96 Buick Park Avenue Ultra | 240hp Series II L67 | Medium Dark Lichen | Bought: JAN 11 @ 135k | Accident: FEB 3 '12 | Crushed: MAR 1 '13 @ 153K
Then: '98 Pontiac Bonneville SSE | 205hp Series II 3800 L36 | Topaz Firemist | Bought: NOV '09 @ 74k | Accident: MAY 28 '10 | Crushed: MAR 15 '11 @ 84k
Then: '93 Pontiac Bonneville SE | 170hp Series I 3800 L27 | Dark Yellow Green | Bought: JULY '07 @ 92k | Sold: JULY '12 @ 118k
Then: '89 Pontiac Bonneville LE | 165hp 3800 LN3 | Medium Garnet Red | Bought: JAN '05 @ 117k | Sold: SEP 30 '07 @ 152k

Yea, that piece takes a miracle worker to get it off without breaking.

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-Matt

Yup... just plan on it breaking. It sucks

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2004 Bonneville GXP | 60k | White Gold Tricoat | custom built supercharged 3800 hot rod | garage queen
1997 Corvette | 55k | Silver Metallic | Z06 wheels | Date-night Hauler/Parts runner
2014 Town & Country Limited | Cashmere Pearl | 95k | Family Hauler
2002 Ram 1500 Quad Cab Sport | Black| 260k | Official Bonneville Hauler

Might want one of these so you can save clips/fasteners.
I have one and it has made the job of removing panels, trim, trunk liners, etc a WHOLE LOT EASIER.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-Door ... _897wt_939

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1998 GTP Coupe
1999 SSEi 70k miles
2000 Silverado 2500 Ext Cab 4x4/6.0L/4L80E
2000 Trans Am WS6 LQ3 (LQ4 w/LS3 top end) 4L60E
2001 SLE
2002 Monte Carlo SS Top-swapped FSIC Gen V TOG's, Mezeire.....
2002 GTP 40th Anniv Ed Coupe
2004 GTP Comp G 'Bottom-swapped'

Yep, definitely don't have one...i'll take a gander around at some local parts places for one since I plan to do this tomorrow.

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John
Now: '15 Toyota Prius III | 134 hp 2ZR-FXE | Silver | 36k
Now: '03 Honda CR-V AWD | Slow 4-Cylinder | Dirt | 180k
Then: '07 Ford Fusion SEL | 221hp Gen I VVT Duratec 3.0 V6 | Tungsten Silver | 150k
Then: '99 Toyota Avalon XL | 200hp 1MZ-FE 3.0 V6 | Diamond White | 189k | Sold: July 2015
Then: '11 Ford Fusion SEL | 240hp Gen II VVT Duratec 3.0 V6 | Ingot Silver | 84k | Totaled: Oct 23 '14 (Rear-Ended)
Then: '96 Buick Park Avenue Ultra | 240hp Series II L67 | Medium Dark Lichen | Bought: JAN 11 @ 135k | Accident: FEB 3 '12 | Crushed: MAR 1 '13 @ 153K
Then: '98 Pontiac Bonneville SSE | 205hp Series II 3800 L36 | Topaz Firemist | Bought: NOV '09 @ 74k | Accident: MAY 28 '10 | Crushed: MAR 15 '11 @ 84k
Then: '93 Pontiac Bonneville SE | 170hp Series I 3800 L27 | Dark Yellow Green | Bought: JULY '07 @ 92k | Sold: JULY '12 @ 118k
Then: '89 Pontiac Bonneville LE | 165hp 3800 LN3 | Medium Garnet Red | Bought: JAN '05 @ 117k | Sold: SEP 30 '07 @ 152k

Alright, so door panel is off..that was actually rather easy...just the two lag screws and 8 plastic rivets...and its off to the races.

Anyways...so my attempt at aligning the window is not going very easily. Several things are just NOT going my way here.

According to the FSM on "Window Adjustment"
1. Ensure window is in the full up position.
2. Remove trim panel.
3. Remove water deflector (I don't seem to have one oddly enough)
4. Tighten the front run channel bolt in the center of the slot (still don't know WTF they're talking about here)
5. Loosen the fasteners that retain the window to the module sash.
6. Power the glass down 3 inches.
7. Slide the glass rearward in the sash fasteners.
8. Power the glass up.
9. Pry the glass up with a large flat screwdriver.
10. Tighten the fasteners that retain the window to the module sash.
11. Cycle the window up and down to inspect operation.
12. Install water deflector.
13. Install trim panel.

I got to 7, did that, but no matter what, the glass WILL NOT go all the way up into its correct sealed position at the top of the window unless I PRY it up to that position. The second issue is that the front top edge of the window wants to naturally pop to the outside of the window seal, causing a REAL issue. This is only remedied when I hold the window back in alignment, and simultaneously move it up.

When I attempt to move the window all the way back into the rear slot, to override its desire to waver outward, it ends up binding up about half way up, requiring to be adjusted forward again.

I'm definitely at a loss here. Either there's something significantly wrong with the shape of the seals (which I don't see why that would cause the window to pop forward), or both the regulator sash and the seals are all misaligned.

I will add on here the tidbit that this passenger door is otherwise missing the black plastic applique piece that sits in the front part of the stationary window on the inside, AND the door is misaligned, it sits about 1-2 mm too low when closed, causing minor contact with the rear door and front door window frames, and messing with the body lines, however, no evidence of tool marks are found on the hinges.



Would it be in my best interest to find another door seal from the junkyard, along with regulator sash, and just attempt to replace all that, or is it just suspect that this requires professional help, to where I should just drop over to safelite and see if they can align it properly.

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John
Now: '15 Toyota Prius III | 134 hp 2ZR-FXE | Silver | 36k
Now: '03 Honda CR-V AWD | Slow 4-Cylinder | Dirt | 180k
Then: '07 Ford Fusion SEL | 221hp Gen I VVT Duratec 3.0 V6 | Tungsten Silver | 150k
Then: '99 Toyota Avalon XL | 200hp 1MZ-FE 3.0 V6 | Diamond White | 189k | Sold: July 2015
Then: '11 Ford Fusion SEL | 240hp Gen II VVT Duratec 3.0 V6 | Ingot Silver | 84k | Totaled: Oct 23 '14 (Rear-Ended)
Then: '96 Buick Park Avenue Ultra | 240hp Series II L67 | Medium Dark Lichen | Bought: JAN 11 @ 135k | Accident: FEB 3 '12 | Crushed: MAR 1 '13 @ 153K
Then: '98 Pontiac Bonneville SSE | 205hp Series II 3800 L36 | Topaz Firemist | Bought: NOV '09 @ 74k | Accident: MAY 28 '10 | Crushed: MAR 15 '11 @ 84k
Then: '93 Pontiac Bonneville SE | 170hp Series I 3800 L27 | Dark Yellow Green | Bought: JULY '07 @ 92k | Sold: JULY '12 @ 118k
Then: '89 Pontiac Bonneville LE | 165hp 3800 LN3 | Medium Garnet Red | Bought: JAN '05 @ 117k | Sold: SEP 30 '07 @ 152k

Just a video illustration of what I'm saying.

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John
Now: '15 Toyota Prius III | 134 hp 2ZR-FXE | Silver | 36k
Now: '03 Honda CR-V AWD | Slow 4-Cylinder | Dirt | 180k
Then: '07 Ford Fusion SEL | 221hp Gen I VVT Duratec 3.0 V6 | Tungsten Silver | 150k
Then: '99 Toyota Avalon XL | 200hp 1MZ-FE 3.0 V6 | Diamond White | 189k | Sold: July 2015
Then: '11 Ford Fusion SEL | 240hp Gen II VVT Duratec 3.0 V6 | Ingot Silver | 84k | Totaled: Oct 23 '14 (Rear-Ended)
Then: '96 Buick Park Avenue Ultra | 240hp Series II L67 | Medium Dark Lichen | Bought: JAN 11 @ 135k | Accident: FEB 3 '12 | Crushed: MAR 1 '13 @ 153K
Then: '98 Pontiac Bonneville SSE | 205hp Series II 3800 L36 | Topaz Firemist | Bought: NOV '09 @ 74k | Accident: MAY 28 '10 | Crushed: MAR 15 '11 @ 84k
Then: '93 Pontiac Bonneville SE | 170hp Series I 3800 L27 | Dark Yellow Green | Bought: JULY '07 @ 92k | Sold: JULY '12 @ 118k
Then: '89 Pontiac Bonneville LE | 165hp 3800 LN3 | Medium Garnet Red | Bought: JAN '05 @ 117k | Sold: SEP 30 '07 @ 152k

Hypocrisy. Still, you'll end up with a worse fitting panel if you do that. Are you sure this car hasn't been wrecked? I still think you should take the visors off before looking at the issue.

matt

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1990 Buick LeSabre Limited 100k - Black Sapphire Metallic

Mods:
Strut Tower Brace, Type II Delco Ignition with MSD Coils, Delco 140 amp alternator, 89 Electra/PA CD Player, Audiovox CommanderMT XM Radio, V08 HD Cooling Radiator with Second Fan, 3/8" Transmission Cooling Lines, B&M Aux Transmission Cooler, F41 Front & Rear (Air) Struts, F41 Front & Rear Sway Bars, 96-00 Buick LeSabre/PA 16" wheels and tires, 89-91 SSE Console/Shifter, Class II Trailer Hitch and Wiring, $1000+ in Second Skin Sound Deadening Material, LeSabre T-Type Cluster, 91-92 Buick Century Steering Wheel Controls. Amsoil SSO 0W30 and Amsoil ATF.
Next: Cadillac FWD V8 Braces, F41 Springs, 1988-1991 Olds A/W/C/H -body Driver Info Center (already wired, waiting on a mount)

2003 Mercury Grand Marquis LSE 153k - Silver

Mods:
Pioneer AVIC X910BT Navi, 2010/2011 Mustang 18" Wheels, Class III Trailer Hitch and Wiring, Amsoil in Engine, Trans, and Differential. Damaged Jan 2012 - waiting on adjuster to determine fate -

Well obviously since no one has any additional insight on this, I'm guessing that this is a pretty isolated incident...so what I ended up doing because I was so aggrivated with it is I got it up into its fully sealed position, bit by bit as far up as possible, and got the motor right up tightly behind it, and unplugged it. I put the panel back on, hot glued a bunch of interior parts that the previous owners had broken, and so now my interior went up about 10 aesthetic notches...but down about 5 functionality notches, with the lack of a front passenger working window.

One day, if I get ahold of a complete good parts car, I might just strip out the window frame seals, and the regulator unit, and just figure it out then, since the problem MUST lie in one of those things. I also need to align the passenger door,as seen in the video. I noticed the door side hinge bolts were NOT tight, so that was interesting, and I wasn't able to align the door (raise it up a hair) because I didn't quite have the right specialty tool (a run of the mill 15mm wrench), but its still functional as is for the moment.

Next problem is to figure out my bad ground on the 3rd brake light (works intermittently, every other time i press the pedal, the lamp monitor tells me its burned out)

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John
Now: '15 Toyota Prius III | 134 hp 2ZR-FXE | Silver | 36k
Now: '03 Honda CR-V AWD | Slow 4-Cylinder | Dirt | 180k
Then: '07 Ford Fusion SEL | 221hp Gen I VVT Duratec 3.0 V6 | Tungsten Silver | 150k
Then: '99 Toyota Avalon XL | 200hp 1MZ-FE 3.0 V6 | Diamond White | 189k | Sold: July 2015
Then: '11 Ford Fusion SEL | 240hp Gen II VVT Duratec 3.0 V6 | Ingot Silver | 84k | Totaled: Oct 23 '14 (Rear-Ended)
Then: '96 Buick Park Avenue Ultra | 240hp Series II L67 | Medium Dark Lichen | Bought: JAN 11 @ 135k | Accident: FEB 3 '12 | Crushed: MAR 1 '13 @ 153K
Then: '98 Pontiac Bonneville SSE | 205hp Series II 3800 L36 | Topaz Firemist | Bought: NOV '09 @ 74k | Accident: MAY 28 '10 | Crushed: MAR 15 '11 @ 84k
Then: '93 Pontiac Bonneville SE | 170hp Series I 3800 L27 | Dark Yellow Green | Bought: JULY '07 @ 92k | Sold: JULY '12 @ 118k
Then: '89 Pontiac Bonneville LE | 165hp 3800 LN3 | Medium Garnet Red | Bought: JAN '05 @ 117k | Sold: SEP 30 '07 @ 152k

I had the same problem with the third brake light, as well as a couple other bulbs.
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=7072&hilit=+brake+light

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-Ryan
2004 GTO....LS1, LSA supercharged 525whp, 6MT
96 SSEi...September 2010 COTM........GONE
04 GTP comp G.... December 2015 COTM........GONE
2013 Audi Allroad Quattro